Bread and Thread – Can Openers

Then said a podcast about food and domestic history. I’m Liz

and I’m hazel we’re two friends, who studied archaeology together and love history,

so before we do the making and baking this episode is about can openers because of bean dad for insert midwinter celebration here I got Nick a brewing kit.

Wow,

so we currently have some bitter ale in a big bucket to turning into beer in the kitchen you have life in your kitchen

we’ve named it Steve at the suggestion of pencil from probably bad.

And when would one get to taste Steve’s juices.

Theoretically, it should be done tomorrow because our house is not a consistent degree Celsius because that would be incredibly expensive and might take a few extra days. The kit came with a hydrometer so I can keep an ionic excellent yeah that was a can also calculate the ABV, which is very exciting because I liked science and a lot more like efficient and high-tech.

My brewing process which is just like put sugar and yeast and fruit in bucket leave sometime hope there is alcohol,

We did third dump everything in a big plastic bucket saying that you hydrometer is useful see though how much they can have before your drunk and also so that you know it’s done, especially since we were planning to save some of it for the after times, whenever that is so beautiful to be able to like inform other people how got locators we have. Steve plans sounds very ominous, but I just been trying to make medium stuff think they can also find something we can make beer with a sourdough starter and you know we have one of those so that there would be a fun experiment.

Okay yeah whole new world of alcohol.

We have Steve plans sounds very ominous, but I just mean trying to make need and stuff are fighting made me think Nicholson found something we can make beer with a sourdough starter and you know we have another okay, so there will be a fun experiment yeah whole new world of alcohol. It is the classic because Baker’s used to give growers select leftover yeast or starter and stuff like that to make their beer in the deal. Delays, yeah.

In turn, connected through sharing yeast and it developed into one of the most important industries aggressive today and Marmite industry.my just a duiker date yet. I read a lot of people don’t. I for one devoted admirer which now I think about it like there’s absolutely no reason that I should. Apart from, I dunno, I just like something deep inside me likes the Marmite

unrelated that we seem to be a tendon spiral and cats really like yeast apparently that’s why they steal bread like the smell of yeasts and no one give a.

I’ve never felt more related to them right now I get something we can all enjoy the smell of fresh bread science, let us know and I finished the hat and I can’t remember if I had finished last time and I work on this jacket and and all things a fair amount of and things because that’s very satisfying right now and and I think my next project will be making a dress form because I have a little bit of an Christmas money and bootstrap dress forms are apparently and fairly relatively cheap to make, so I may go down that road, and finally have a dress form and I can drape thing, so anyone who doesn’t know and bootstrap bootstrap – or just check and yet I could fashion and so you can send all of your measurements and they will send you like a custom pattern progress once they have made yourself. Although you have made yourself. And so, like you do need to have sewing machine and make now discern stuff and but for that reason, it is a lot more affordable than buying a custom-made dress form like from what that’s already made and so I’m coming ago and was the height/all yeah I kinda feel like I can actual person who sews things now. I am so really know Joe, but you make me look like I know I’m happy dress for my room. Plus I can dress it up in things and put it right in front of the door get people if you have a home alone you resorted.

Hence, yeah, but I could just, you know: also says no. They also said a can openers arrears. When this goes up. This will no longer be a thing people are talking about the moment with topical where the tower topical where we record not necessarily when the gazelle but you know account, so do you explain the whole being. Dad situation for anyone who doesn’t live on the Internet

basically and Internet and musician John Roderick spent six hours telling his daughter to figure out how to use a can opener, rather than teaching how to use a can opener and there turns out there’s bad parenting dad trended on Twitter for two days so the first notable thing to happen on the internet

years off to start. certainly is taking the Socratic method way too far. Like it’s a technique for helping people learn that late until the child doesn’t eat the six hours. I mean, it’s not like that that kind of teaching method is not saying I will just figuring out it’s like helping the right questions in order to guide somebody towards something the teacher to cook because she will burn the house down and I drove the car. Figuring out: sometime anyway fluids and Internet trivia aside and tell openers to openers what everyone a call at the two also opening food sealed in a special metal container and yeah so that you, there’s never one when you one absolutely up, but I really thought much about their history before so I’m interested

so I will talk about can food another time. Can anyone adjust focus on the opener. This tank is a surprising amount to say it might be a lot and basically tinned foods originally was basically opened with a hammer and chisel, including yet instructions actually on cans of food, saying coach cut round the top near the outer edge with a chisel and hammer like this was the expected method that this poem the cans were heavier than the food inside them because it was the leg late 18th and early 19th century okay and how it was a relative English think is mostly for the military. At this point and we didn’t have industrial warfare servers relatively niche. I mean, I feel like as a way of resolving foods like people could have had other methods. At this point and I mean it is effective, but I don’t have effective early canning would be at preserving food. What we now also to as canning. Even now can be putting stuff in glass jars with metal lids. They can own all the US as a thing as canning home-grown produce by putting it in like a mason jar of something similar, which is a glass shower with a metal lid. Stuff like jars and like like it, unaware and confusing, so Kilner jar. I’m referring to glass down. They can also be like the hinge sealed ones, jazzy mason jars are just saying. And then, yet is also the ones with the hinge scandal okay which summer buy, but these of the Kilner jar TM is the same as a messenger piling fur listeners in different places thing we have a jar you put a circle of metal on top and then you screw something on IK. I know what were yeah an inventor called Peter Joanne was making these iron and tin alloy cans and yet they were very sick. But eventually, and different industrial technology meant that you could make thinner tins and seal develop onto the canopy that looks like a crackly way best to go around the edge of the top of the tin cutting into it and which is the kind that you get a Swiss army knife are always the two Kepler is just the way that it looks to me is because it you got the long pointy bit and then the shorter, less pointy bit like not, it’s not cutting out the top. Kind of like piercing it out doing that yet was invented in 1855 by a surgical instrument maker, which is a lot of overlap is something handheld the cuts. Things yeah make sense, can surgery you did surgery on a It does sound a bit more efficient than the hammer and chisel in the legacy. This is only doable because they’ve managed to invent in a walled cans but, interestingly, that kind of open during the American Civil War was also deemed too dangerous for domestic use. Okay, were reminded that this is the normal kind of travel to open that you get in this army knife and similar stuff. I guess that those are for manly men out in the world who don’t have time for the Tony things knives in the kitchen. Also dangerous for domestic believe it’s something to do with because they use the skeleton, they do have a tendency if you don’t exactly know what you’re doing to Kenneth slip off and there is a potential of slicing your arm open. Okay, definitely see why. But at the same time, they sound more dangerous than other kitchen implements a chisel, so a safer version of that was was then developed and for specifically for pickled beef and learners bully beef so that rings a bell that to do with military suppliers well and so are general preserved me thing in the US but was also part military rations. It is why we have that military suspicion because it was with the army longer than it was in domestic use. Okay, and Turner’s corn before spam and it has that turning key on it all, and not for a long time and by no you mean. So go the pattern to this love. His name is J. Court probably said that wrong. In 1866. And yeah, the lever tin opener wasn’t really big saying this point still directed this key that you could basically attach to a flap of metal on the tin and then just basically paid slowly ripped the tin open shirt did have to have a different kind of key for different shapes tin though because different foods were sold in different shapes of 10 like they still are hiking and running something like, and milk. You still had to puncture the JS isn’t as bad in its liquid because you just need a whole, rather than to open the whole thing yet. I mean, I guess you’re still need some kind of cam opening because you don’t like. Not every can you combine the same yeah when he’s got an places like the others on account from Connecticut and not long after the American Civil War, which best estates. The cloaks in shops would open the tins for customers. Others found that safer testing defeats the point somewhat because understanding of your canning food at the source and then shipping it around. But if you then getting it opened at the shop you got very limited timeframe without food is foods. Yet another journey your house without only one cylinder is a reason the claw -shaped open and never really became a big and then eventually eventually in the 1890s you get a can opener with a serrated wheel mass produced. It was panted like 20 years earlier, but the mass production took a welter to kick off and burning in 1920, figure out adding a second wielder hold onto the can might be a good idea. Equally as dangerous without sober talking almost a hundred and 50 years between can food and reasonable can opener be one of the most long-awaited invention yeah bids the one that meant that you could open the can, without also having to hold onto the can can openers leave kind of a sharp edge circular mansion that was quite useful in of H. Very easy to injure yourself on an open can today so I guess the invention is still out there like the perfect can opener has not yet been given to the one that like renders the can. Completely safe at the same times opening, yeah, guess cutting sin metal and having it not be sharp is beyond modern technology like you want to go in the direction and there is the combination can opener and knife sharpener. Okay, in a busy just live for danger in the kitchen opening balance of life at the same time, though there is there is a modern, can opener, but Shea I enjoy, which is the one touch invented by Mark Sanders, basically clamps on an impression and it turned itself around and opens the can most good from wagon accessibility standpoint, it’s a one-handed, can opener, you don’t you don’t need both hands operator yeah and also you don’t need, like hand strengths. Even the one yeah you need to hand you need to be able to break the thing off as can openers that nine-year-olds to pollen example from the might struggle with using from the physical strength standpoint. Also like as we have just pointed out and handed the shot in hand. For example, a nine-year-olds who have opened the can before my not be aware of that and potentially bad savings and you don’t need a can of that of the can nowadays do because a lot of them do come with poles/tabs/everyone: especially the drinks drinks cans. Now those are great unless you get one of the ones where you pull. It Comes off before you open the car. Yeah, those are ideal your deflect what they can do now my options are limited and I will admit to being like one of those very, very foolish people who occasionally opens cans of the night disco/aware Oregon to govern a can opener, have been known to do that I know is not a great idea but also, sometimes I just really want to do all sister been invented actually in the 20s but is still being perfected now would say different companies experimenting with different shapes of whole different shapes of ring Paul and he can find online and if if I can refind et al. because I forgot to bookmark it out to link to it. There’s a typology of ring poles that someone is painstakingly together and pour or do their future archaeologists are gonna love this like they will be had by like someone gone through and done like a really accurate taxonomy for like early by keeping belt buckles or something and we like time that they were made on my guard so the final step in can opening technology at the moment seems to be computer can it is a resealable drinks can pass and then you put it back on all use for a casinos private label energy drink. Okay casino is sister company called casino are private label energy drink energy drink with a resealable and those imagining that you could only get this drink in a specific casino which seems a lot to embed something you concept of the premium energy drink is still wild to me the kids choking Red Rooster with just tastes like fizzy apple juice. I am not sure what that premium drinks apart from the others. Resealable curtains say that every brief history of can openers to know players all that jazz. I mean all of this confirms my. That the trickiest kitchen device and apparently it took some that to just get a usable version, incredibly efficient and fantastic method of preserving food. The only polymers we can’t get out again. Take 50 years from a problem presenting itself to finding literally any solution hammering chisel. I guess you know that can be the solution enables customers not condone chiselling random objects, but I do 60% of this podcast opinions of individual podcast as may be different from the official line is not represent thread incorporated Coward my paper from Polly but RPG ideas. We have a podcast if you like to hear RPG advice on how to use assorted incredibly bad ideas as actual ideas are natural gay then the polybag pocket available on pretty much everybody capture from a bad day when he goes at it since about, given that was still in wintertime and which I guess is quite regional and local ladder because sloes don’t grow everywhere, and so so Jen and if you’ve not heard of before, is a type of flavoured spirits and that is very traditional in Britain and it’s made of gin, sugar and sloes, which are the berries of the hot outside Blackthorn plant also merits no other. You can, and I mean we would want the raw, but you can make regular fruit leather. Apparently ham which is a bit of in no, you old lady would run away any of the fruits of bound either immediately edible makes sense, but also don’t force on there is a need them. Please eat yesterday and and slows you can’t eat as they are either really. I need to try but it would be a great time, notoriously part stringent, but you can flavour alcohol with because people are nothing not inventive when it comes to food. And you know that when a waste Berry harvest you use it somehow and so this is how slow gin developed and it I really like it. It it can be drunk and meets as opposed normally you would bring one adrift in the sodium is sweeter because the sugar and really nice labour and and it’s popular now, so resurgence as the whole hedgerow sued them generally are thinking the UK which is quite nice origin becoming trendy again and and and the resurgence of some of these more traditional and like craft and food answer, and it is beautiful, ruby red colour as well and it just and but there is a lot more to it. Then I realised that so am quite a long way, but not massively long way and so it became became a thing really in the 18th century because of two things. Firstly, because of sugar becoming a lot and because of an and secondly because of the enclosure and the notorious enclosed and passed by Parliament to enclose common lands into private land owned by Gentry and that meant a lot of hedges being planted to close off the land and when the most popular plants to use and those hedges was Blackthorn because it’s very spiky and dense and keep people out and livestock in and so there was this sudden abundance of those everywhere and people alike. Use the because you by great so slow. Gin became was kind of like a home and like you, you wouldn’t really go out. I don’t think there was anywhere that was making so Jen Jen was very popular and in this. As well, and yet it was talked about the ruin before, but now origin that was being made was so we say, great quality air Irene. Some of it was what you moonshine. Today, some of it would be slightly poorly made. Jen and so basically the cheaper stuff which is what you would be buying. You were not rich and wasn’t like the greatest tasting and so slow. Gin kind of as a way to improve the flavour, especially now that you get, and you had all these these three slows used to improve the flavour would be made at home and and it got bit of a reputation being like the poor man’s sports highlight this and this spirit that was associated with buses since an and to extend still true today because a lot of people, I think, especially if their fat family is the countryside will remember like my grandma used to make sodium and and it never really, on as a mainstream and until the early 20th century, so am just is interested as well, and an ancient hedgerow is defined as a hedgerow that was in place before enclosure Acts, so you can kind of tell which one is because hedgerow that was planted as part of the enclosure Acts always wanted since, well, contain a lot of Blackthorn and a lot of these these kind of woody shrubs and that why use that were planted to know for the purpose of like enclosing the land, whereas an ancient hedgerow hedgerow that was in place before that will have an added definition is should have five or more native species and it’s a lot more diverse like a lot more and and a lot more kind of different plants and rather then more the same stuff and that was just put up quick to enclose things like quick and efficient and and sloes are actually like it can be difficult. Different D. It can be difficult to differentiate between sloes and damsons, and because sloes, damsons and bonuses, which is a great word and are all kind of similar -looking, small bluish blackberries and claim baby clams and but damson trees and don’t have the maximum that bonds have, and they do look a bit more like mini funds and because they got them coming from them, whereas sloes are more close to the December taken to help, so it wasn’t until the late 19th century that this home-made started to be produced in like commercial distilleries and and studied. I guess they were picking up on it being quite a popular thing. By that point to make and although it should be that there was also a large temperance movement in this. Particularly in the late 19, and an Edwardian period and so there’s, there’s a lot of antialcohol sentiment going around still making this so mostly wonder how many people temperance movement and secretly making sodium people might be hypocritical sometimes have absolutely not so bit more fashionable and more well-known in the 20th-century degree. The 1920s and I guess the golden age of cocktails and the slow gin fizz was invented so that a cocktail that involves gin and champagne, and apparently in some cases, egg white, which is unappealing, but is in a lot of cocktails to make it to scanners fizzy and frothy. Yeah, big big froth right immediate. I’m that is a menace address and remain popular 1960s, when it kind of fell out of fashion. I guess with a lot of things that were seen as more traditional and stuffy kind of fashion. Only now that it’s starting to come back because now it’s seen as something nostalgic and natural, which shows the trend at the moment and I guess because it’s getting more popular to home and is something you can do you live somewhere whether an so if you have to make you identify your slows and you’re supposed to traditionally after the first frost comes quite late now. In our modern days of global warming. Unfortunately just happened to her as yeah I not that long ago, and you know it’s so slight late December, which, and given that sloes are right around October time and it is quite late, so what you can do instead them when they’re right. In October, and freeze them because the whole point of picking them up to the thrust is that the skins will be a little bit cracked and so the juices will have a better insert your alcohol since is fine and what I spine you pick the grapes when they’re all frozen and that makes this post to make the wine sweeter second German desert line. Okay, I spine and the same thing with those and freezing them achieve the same effect and and then you your slows into a jar, you add sugar and depending on your taste back and be anything from you spoonfuls to half as much sugar as size, so if you like it sweeter. A mooring not. I mean, there’s there’s recipes the differing amounts and many just fed up and up again and you leave it for a good few months and and you every cell phone you studied, turn the bottle and to let things sort of diffuser and is old but after at least three months you will have a drinkable sojourn but is saying is better and but not having done a lot of experimenting, I couldn’t comment on and but you will definitely have something that you can drink and will be sodium after three months so they very call oh idea slow gin existed and it was made of stuff from hedgerows. Baden know that I didn’t until I looked into more and my new how to make traditional thing my grandma made it, and I’ve made a couple times but I didn’t know the reason why became popular, no being) and that something and and why there are so many and that hedgerows and so you really interesting and something that I thought was just a traditional rural thing and actually came about because of bigger events and I guess we cannot about that and we cannot do look into traditions that much perhaps working for indeed warrior we look at things we do will soothe ago why that intonation so I guess we say so. Thank you for listening and we have a twitter if you want to want to know shows pictures of your Cano flows and fences at Blaydon thread and we also have a picture and read and read it you would like to hang out with and get some rest. Even things and and if you have any ideas or subjects that you will have a email at bread and bread podcast@gmail.com. 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Probably Bad 28 – Big Hairy Men, The Movie Speed, and The Johnnies Stabbington

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I’m paper today’s probably bad RPG idea is an urban setting campaign where, in the end. Turns out the supernatural doesn’t actually exist. I thought we would start 2021. With this one because it’s the first ever probably bad posts.

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but I do really like it as a kind of it feels kind of obvious at this point, but the idea that it’s like a very paranoia kind of thing it’s like these guys are vampires we need to take them out and kill them all you kill them and they’re just guys

turns out most things will kill them if you put a stake through their heart

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you successfully like purged the goth population like my interpretation when I originally made it was you show up at the head vampires lair for the final battle and it turns out it’s all been an elaborate prank when it’s under so women, Frank just all your friends got together with magic is real in your sorcerer called Cthulhu, but gas lighting Collymore accurate bank which will possess poems but there is also something in the idea of a supernatural game that gradually transitions into a sci-fi game yet this ideas like there’s all these folks and spirit directly aliens which i’m now realising is multiple Doctor Who episodes like I think Duncan yet

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Bread and Thread Xmas Pudding

LIZ

Hello and welcome to bread and thread a podcast about food and domestic history ‘m liz

HAZEL

and I’m hazel we’re two friends who studied archaeology together and love history and almost as much as we love making various things and food so well.

LIZ

Where we’re recording this in mid-December, so naturally I have made a large amount of gingerbread.

HAZEL

Of course I will be disappointed otherwise

LIZ

Using my gingerbread recipe adapted from my mums where I put in lots more seasoning and yet there are people who do not like my gingerbread recipe because there’s so much ginger in it role is it to English gingerbread is you conceal it afterwards.

HAZEL

Excellent you are you in the critique, and red or soft gingerbread club I like. Like us had grassed me gingerbread, which is the crunchy as gingery a stingy bread I’ve ever had, but I like making soft gingerbread ages, like the feel of it more to state so waiting to like the way it feels a piece I now know I was about to say is lying like firm but soft and warm and fluffy grasp against it in a

yeah delicious both just because I get one of the other depending on how long I forget the most gingerbread is in the that makes sense now review but yeah, December baking season is upon us and it is wonderful and I’m also planning a dating experiment next week, but I will let you know has to done that how it went you, I am intrigued. I a sore need to take all that when I went online sound like three recipes. One of them didn’t actually have me donate my own one happening then it one was just yeah okay with me dinner as you would expect in the other one was made with box cake mix, which is a is not really helpful because you don’t say what brand like firstly I wouldn’t use a box cake mix anyway because, unlike that second if you don’t say what brand you just say two boxes lately come in different sizes so and like something you had about and then decided to make a date where you just like media cake was like. You should put me dinner cake because they found out that I was going then needs and also like when I put things in cakes by the best reasons to invent food, so I let you know-how like ghosts you been up to you, continuing your trying to finish things. I am an cake, which I will talk about later because this episode is in a B about Christmas pudding filling, but about the later because an this episode is about Chris and something that will probably cover next year, let’s be honest, yes, very much and I did also finish some accidental ombre yeah as the accidental ombre hat so big like that because it fits my hair in a lot of silly so feels good to like Something is done and I can actually wear it needed to happen. It is that so you finishing things are going pretty well so far but okay and yet at the finishing things is going pretty well at the moment and I have to move on to garments that was my last small to finish so got her shrug as a rainbow shrug that was missing. That is next to get finished so will see, so going to be talking about Christmas puddings. Yeah, that would be an appropriate topic for mid-December episode, the time this goes out in January and also Christmas pudding is delicious, despite what Nick will tell you, yet I have mixed feelings about Christmas pudding because I not something everyone likes. In fact I would preside a majority of people don’t like it, morally, but has diehard fans to now I love it. I never liked either an and Amen I was I would get chocolate pudding Christmas, which is great, but I am my taster maturing is just because the time it myself, but I’m really looking forward to putting so see, so I in the process of gathering mission for this and I watched a video isn’t things as well as an reading stuff and an mass manner of tasting history a while ago I recently put up a video about Christmas pudding, which is really good, so to go watch it and there he makes a pudding and talks about quite a bit. I’m gonna go into an the son of deep history stuff. That much because that’s kind of been done in a few places and but I will talk more about the kind of folklore. Social traditions side here, for indeed and so concept of puddings is pretty old and they are like one of the older dishes and so the traditional way that you make pudding as you boil in a cloth or you steam it, and all end in the case of some of the oldest puddings and they were boiled in animal casings and like like sausages, basically putting so they might be used like the stomach like the intestines of animals and like black pudding is another one. So that’s a blood sausage because it got other oats in the standard is blood oats, plenty of pepper and big chunks of SAP, which Mrs disgusting. I love it, divide people. But I also like rich though, so am opening is a mixture of things that you boil up these days in a cloth or skin and the popular anymore because they are quite heavy and and it’s partly that suet content so that the meat that they can get vegetable set and the McManus study, bungee texture, specifically the south around the kidneys, I think, morally and and we don’t need that to get through the winter any more because we can market by like fruits and stuff and another countries, so it’s not so popular anymore, at least in Britain and I believe in America pudding is a different thing and custody. Tight type thing and which I think is probably to do with the site more confusing pudding being a generic term for desert now and serving that often because they contain this suet content which is beef that you can get vegetable so it gives back. I know I believe so, yeah, and which gives it back in a spongy like dodgy texture which an again people really like sometimes, but I love it because it’s great winter sake as a heavyweight cake. Good way to quite firm as well, like classic Christmas pudding. This is closer to the texture of kitchen sponsor response cash making some great somethings. It’s hard to describe accurately while the goods, despite the fact great so we really that much anymore, at least in Britain out of fashion and the heavy and we don’t really need that to get through the winter any more because we can go to the supermarket and get fresh fruit from other countries and we have central heating, hot study pudding inside a soreness at but I think so. The earlier puddings as well. One necessarily sweet and and I think a lot of traditional Pat’s original British foods are can still be like that, like steak and kidney pudding and example or black pudding -like dimensions and to make it even more confusing. The word pudding now means it is a generic term for desert, so you can also puddings the above no exception, because then baked so the not really a pudding stride at the same time, because at heart and put the battery in it and then put it on the other have to say, although we are talking about this being your intellectual billing. I wouldn’t go to Yorkshire and say Yorkshire pudding is not brave enough word that I’m Lancastrian required southerner I would get no quarter might be one of those, no one else. Yeah, so things about here are the type of pudding where it mixed bunch of things that been steamed or boiled earlier ones weren’t necessarily sweet and in fact there was a lot of mixing of sweeter and more savoury flavours past and so things that you get me with dried fruit and spices things. And so, in the form of curry, which is the mediaeval late 14th century cookbook that we also didn’t earlier episode on there’s recipe for 3D porridge type thing, though, with concepts opening dried fruits in sweet like porridge dish that we got pudding-yet then as the pudding comes into being in the next couple of centuries we get the remorse savoury type puddings and soap example keys pudding from the famous Ryan pudding hot peas getting cold p study in the cup four days old. So what actually is. So like beams keys were a big part of the diets for a lot of the poorer people of people living in rural areas in Britain at the everyone wasn’t a Lord you’re beating a lot of these and the point being that you could drive them so you could later or sustain you through the winter. So during the winter, you would be eating lots of what actually is. Peas pudding is just all slices of mushy peas and more kind of on the parody size and thick porridge, and I don’t have exact recipe for this, but I will look up. Yeah, like thick pudding, thick porridge type thing and so still not really your traditional pudding, but it is yeah and and you can use rehydrated peas for so winter staple, the references references to sentence below a protein yet and but probably will get boring if you’re eating it. Like Fortes in a row, probably so puddings became quite popular in the 18th-century sickly plum pudding, which is anything with dried fruit and it really all those heritage video wasn’t there about city pudding claiming this is in there pudding one and but yeah, it doesn’t have to be plans 🙂 can be like any weather, you have really basically just men dragged through that point in an winter. It would have to be Dry Creek because if you’re in the new don’t yet have a plus apples is great, apples or keep quite long time and is an ingredient in the traditional Christmas pudding recipe because yet again there will be only things that you still have around like a fruit, vegetable and so dried fruit could also become expensive depending on what you are getting. And when you’re getting into the 19th century, which is when Christmas pudding becomes a thing and Victorian, as yet, and so Christmas pudding is a thing existed before just wasn’t necessarily Christmas pudding was moreover the pudding came before the Christmas sales, Christmas yeah using a sweet pudding with dried fruit in it and spices and things was a popular winter dish beforehand and it was my became associated with Christmas. Because Christmas you would put all the fancy stuff that you get in, so your fancier dried fruits or candy peels your more expensive spaces and your brandy alcohol were going to Christmas, dump all the good stuff in becomes the Christmas pudding understand one of the first times that it given a specific title. Christmas wedding is in live actions and rebook and which meeting 40s. I’ve gone should know this 1845. And that’s when it becomes Christmas pudding. Although puddings like that are still being eaten kind of all year-round, but just probably not so fancy back and migrate grammar, whose pudding recipe prisons pudding recipe I could talk about later and would make all of her puddings at once. In November, year-round, and so it’s now so distinctive this Christmas pudding thing and the recipe hasn’t really changed since the Victorian era like it. Still, that kinda dodgy suet raisins, dried fruit, mixed peel, brandy and sugar, all that stuff is basically the same thing. And because I guess that became traditional at that point I think the victory lap tradition and their alumni traditions coming in that time as well, specially rang Christmas and my Christmas trees and Christmas crackers. But once those thing, cook them in a basin or a mould, so the original way of me pulling into a big in the copper sieges Prowling probably impractical to make a big red grammar pudding recipe with you have to steam for eight hours and bigger salaries. Back then, literally, like animals, was pretty impressive on a Christmas table, especially if it’s covered in flaming brandy. Yeah, forgot about the setting on fire, setting a fire part during this area as well think the custom of pouring brandy and setting it on fire. Also become quite popular and we still do that and it’s really fun, specific reason we do. That was just someone just because it was fun and everyone else started doing think it’s just aesthetic like, why not being things is a thing more as a way of cooking them than just going to make this fire on the table that there is no reason for a long tradition of the symbol of fire and light Christmas time or at Winter Solstice adjacent time, so I surprised it can become a thing right and I’m not go on to recipes and so when I made I use the pudding basin and that became more popular because it’s just easier, it’s less messy if you make it an appealing class, you then have to deal with what festival ever goes wrong tide across uptight enough, then back and be pudding disaster water gets into your pudding is gonna go wrong and and secondly you’ve then got to deal with a whole mess of getting out of the class and then I guess washing the core somehow use again. And yeah, that some gross yeah so particular. If it’s gone cold. Anybody trying pudding from stuff, and to do that, so am doing in a pudding basin and so moving away from a cannibal shape and go more into that kind flattopped half dome-shaped and telecoms in hemisphere. Yeah, super fancy, you can use a mould jelly mould. If you have seen toying jelly moulds that Victorians loved making like Castle St Christmas trading. Who wouldn’t love a pudding Castle was on fire while for the Kings. So yeah, that’s that kind of the way I elected to do as well and am victim of its own success because became so traditional and so iconic, of being associated with Christmas just didn’t really change for about a hundred years and and now, because it’s not chained because traditional very rich, very heavy thing is not really to our taste anymore, and although a lot of people, especially in Britain. A lot of people still have an Christmas. It’s not something that everyone can alike, and might be maybe one of two maybe three people that will eat and then like the younger people and family will just go to cake or something and not that popular anymore think that whether you love comes in value can have the Swiss role. This chocolate covered Swiss role. There is an open effort to reinvent it nowadays. Yet things like simply mumble one with the whole orange in the middle that sold out everywhere years ago. I didn’t hear about that. Heston is a peak test. The middle is combining it with like a pond, pudding, sieges got to suet puddings. Not a lot of people like to smash together unfurling erasure Sussex person records. This filtering has to write about testing as wafer further review and I talk what goes into now, and I was unaware that we had any family recipe that already. But when I when I went to make Christmas pudding and I mentioned that my mum and she was like, we have a family Christmas recipe is from my grandma, which is my my great-grandmother, so that was a really exciting and she finds this recipe which is written on a little bit of cars and from my great-grandmother’s mother. My mother sighed his name and I kid you not, was either fish amazing. Also remember the fish family who married a guy selling the bird so the family took that into Marie’s amazing country names her so am so sorry, apparently, and my mum would go with her brother to migrate grammar’s house and on stir up Sunday, which is the fifth Sunday before Christmas, which was traditionally the day on which you would make your Christmas pudding. And yeah, you Christmas pudding on the Sunday before and then it won’t go off. It will not, in fact, one of the recipe book they have. It says the pudding is good for up to 2 years, presumably seeding the whole time. I guess such as a feeder, but you did so those that don’t know, seeding it being just adding some alcohol to every now and then making imagine a little shop of horrors type pudding monster that you people was established puddings different so alcohol your Christmas pudding is good for a long time. It will be fine, but you need to read email, recoil it before you to otherwise be white sent so-called yeah: study not great woman study winner. Once is what built Britain entirely truth so they would go to Grandma’s house. Sunday and help her make the pudding and everyone in the family has to stir pudding. Good luck obviously and, as mentioned, and great either would make all her large quantity of the contained and how the suet found suet raisins at the same assault on through yeah mixed peel and sugar, eggs stuff six tame yeah also a large cooking apple and Apple have lots of feelings about this bullet will be too sweet yet and has mixed peel, you are moving some bicarbonate of soda ^ ^ and the rind and use of an orange and lemon hall peel at yeah so you can grate it in, which is what I do or you could just like UN, you can appeal against an alcohol so apparently my program. I used to use a bottle of Brown ale expect so doesn’t have to be brandy and VAT in a recipe it says, and 68 tablespoons CBCs a fairly liberal measure reportedly was like a brown elder. I don’t ask again so stipulates Brown ale, brandy or dark barley wine, so I assume it when very different sleepers and I think brandy is more about like Wolf alcoholic, whereas ale is a very distinctive taste and short value when we taste like, but I assume that’s just use whatever you got away when he guffawed at the time because branding so I really like that because it shows that is not just one homogenous thing like Mxit a bit more real because you know people are using what they have what they were in what they can get some of family recipes recipes so obviously I didn’t make this recipe to the letter because it says there is no method given except for the sentence steamer set at least eight hours and I do not have patients, nor do I need that much could and I very much reduce the quantities to make only one pudding which only needed to be seen for an hour and half in a pressure cooker does seem more more sensible yet, and how big this pudding with the eye know what made several puddings like a large one couple medium-sized ones, and then a few smaller ones as well, so their work. There were multiple puddings involved came, although I yeah if you made this one big one. I assume it would be just seemingly about all day cutting the size of a small dog. I also have the a of recipe from our don’t know what the title of this book is because the covers partly torn off as a 1970s cookbook by Marguerite Patten, which has fantastic recipes him and I was certainly going to more some point and rate them I sold yet there is Christmas pudding, so I found it for some reason is next to oxtail soup because they both delicious. I don’t know every Knoxville soup soup that this this recipe is slightly more reasonable than the one that increases about the brown ale and yet this is the one that says 6 tablespoon and this one also includes gonzo to which the other recipe which is probably dissolved includes black treacle and white and an yes, although they’re essentially the same sugar right into different flavours like my parking recipe uses black treacle angle syrup because they have different flavour profiles a yeah traditional Christmas pudding has that very dark, rich taste so Americans that black treacle as molasses so yet as 1971 also has instructions on how to make it in a pressure cooker and which dramatically reduces the time needed sectors here about now have to do hours depending on size pudding at a potted history of Christmas pudding and a report back on her taste so am yet I went on a little bit longer than expected. Just a lot to talk to be so rich, her hands would you like to perhaps wash down their Christmas trading all yet with Irn-Bru Arno. Anyone else worse. But I would like to know I’m mod paper from polygon RPG ideas. We have a podcast if you like to hear RPG advice on how to use assorted incredibly bad ideas as actual ideas and actual day, then listen to Polly Babcock, available on pretty much every pot capture from the sorry talk about Irn-Bru. I do this once reminder listeners that we do have a patriarchal access to discord, server and recipes, and potential threat to make your very own mini episode on what everyone at patron.com/red thread and we also have an adverse red podcast@gmail.com case you want throw any ideas away, or you are sending episode with us, so I know I ask this a lot, but the answer is always expected all do think Irn-Bru is just experience of things that we looked at this podcast, I would think, although Ben expected some guess that hundred years old. Yeah, when you think it’s wrong. I was not in every Scottish is give me a country I have no idea her so Germany so the first drink I can find, called Irn-Bru spell actually spell Irn-Bru as opposed to IRM BR. They are, you can speak as opposed to IRM BR you exactly from New York in 1899, while not coming yeah, and the concept of homebrew is American and you can’t get it in definitely Canada, think, and there’s a different formulations in North America and because there’s a colour Internet, which isn’t allowed in Canada. So why is it called Irn-Bru extra something that struggled to find does have an Cyrix citrate in it and ammonium ferric citrate is that actual iron and it’s a molecule which has iron in it. Okay. Site make you strong think that’s the idea. Yeah and sorrows produced by the masts and rolled Stephen chemicals company, and just because that was the sort of people making soft drinks in the 1800s and got copied there and eventually she was a London company that made flavourings, made an Irn-Bru drink. In 1898 and then in 1899 bar which still makes Irn-Bru, as well as a lot of other soft drinks and trading much about and have record saying that they were selling it, then even though officially they started selling it in 1901. So what is the truth so that this is the only new conspiracy theory that something happened with Irn-Bru written years UN Irn-Bru truther. I am an Irn-Bru first. That’s just the weird thing and then in the 40s they changed how they spelt it from. IN rule, the normal words to IRM – BR you be a more recent branding, saying definitely that sounds like the trendy replacing letters but I suppose thinking about that soy is anything to trademark application said that spelling is from July 1946. How 1967, a bar tartan based on the Irn-Bru colours of orange blue-and-white was created and was registered as the Irn-Bru tartan with the Scottish Tartan Society on 12 September 1997 and Irn-Bru kilt is entirely doable. They now sell 20 cans a second. A lot of Irn-Bru so dismayed by bar to Coca-Cola is the number one selling soft drink almost everywhere in the world apart from Iceland through various places in the Middle East, where Chelsea and Scotland, where it, Scotland’s second national drink whiskey. I love that although sometimes it’s made in Russia. Why is it just easier for distribution. So do despite them saying in the 80s that was made in Scotland from girders major made in Scotland and Russia from secret ingredients and three people know the recipe, the founder of bar daughter and one member of staff who is in charge of actually making the staff so still have the IN chemical does still contain ammonium Terrace sulphate ferric citrate and also contains caffeine and quinine. I guess that will kill healthy which are listed as flavourings okay as there’s a lot of debate about what Irn-Bru actually tastes like people so bubblegum. I strongly disagree. Tastes like nothing bubblegum flavoured ever had pink. Okay, I don’t think had Irn-Bru so can’t really weigh in on this one. Comparison can make is rosehip, a handsome rosehip TMI media sought was if I put sugar in. This would taste like Irn-Bru hello no hello is that better. Can you hear me, yeah, can you get website hotel when I said I know had Irn-Bru forestry said about bubblegum before people have seen, saying that it tastes a bubblegum which doesn’t is like any bubblegum bubblegum flavoured product I’ve ever had even adjust his pink just a taste think because comparison can make. So I think is rosehip. Okay, like I’ve had rosehip tea. My immediate thought when I tried it for the first time was this had sugar in it would taste like Irn-Bru, so I’m going with rosehip T1 rosehip pulp is what you want. Wow. Rosehip because rated cordial that can’t. I do know I don’t like busy drinks in the first place. Really, so probably miss me, but I kind of get why it’s so popular now. Yeah, love it. Scotland’s Simonsen to made in Scotland from girders was there like that they can campaign in the 80s. In 1998 they had the advertising standards authority is most complained about which featured a picture of a cow, and the words when I’m a burger I want to be washed down with Irn-Bru picture that now Hazel is an actual advert that they put out in the 90s, which received 700 complaints wow why I have two more Irn-Bru Irn-Bru facts for you okay and last year they brought out Irn-Bru energy because it wasn’t energetic enough already. Cannot find how exactly it in energy drink, but apparently it’s an energy chain and also Irn-Bru Crimbo reduce limited edition festive surgeon, Irn-Bru Jew, which is apparently spiced ginger flavour and speechless street name for a drug Crimbo reduce Crimbo is solely middle-aged, middle-class only imagine it as some sort of lake cocaine coffee to think about technically so my final Irn-Bru in 2015, Jeremy Corbyn had his first official trip to Scotland as the leader of the Labour Party and photographed drinking Irn-Bru on the train home because earlier he’d refuse the can and it was pointed out that it would probably harm as imaging Scotland interview didn’t drink subclass not getting anything. I will back hello. Okay, I think it’s working okay. Clearly, yet geological and not politics to my last fact is that in 2015, Jeremy Corbyn had his first official trip to Scotland as leader of the Labour Party and on the train home was photographed drinking Irn-Bru because he refused to can earlier and people were worried it was, in effect, his image in Scotland if he didn’t drink it. I also did not see as surprises. Also the colour orange. So Irn-Bru could make or break the next election. I don’t Wanna get into that those just a lot going on with. So think thank you for listening to our strange and confusing focus is the only place where you can hear Christmas pudding and Irn-Bru discuss in the same space. When this episode goes out I will try to remember to post that Irn-Bru advert because honestly, what on earth were they thinking, yeah, is eye-catching how much is eye-catching is the fact that half of the advert as bright orange memorable. I went so positively to thank you for listening. If you want to talk to is about this have a Twitter app read in French compressor for seeing this Irn-Bru just sends pictures of Christmas puddings, but that’s much jollier. So thank you for listening and will talk to. Next time you are you are you you you

Probably Bad Podcast: Pencil, Paper and a Live Show

D&Daniel
It’s a very special time of year you know the one, the anniversary of the probably bad podcast. We did a livee show on the information superhighway, with the loving support of Hedwig and Carlo and you, whatever you are

mod paper
we have faces? we have faces. 2020s looking up. Welcome to our faces welcomes light streaking what
pencil
this is what I look (this is What we sound like Without nick editing things that I say so I apologise that
mod paper
I give it 10 minutes until one of us forget how the language works.
mod pencil
making a cup of tea was a good idea.
paper
chat has discovered the soundboard. shall we do an idea before we drown in geese and godzillas?. He can everyone feel free to listen. The idea like this fair time. So first idea was submitted by TD whisperer also one of the most popular ideas that were posted in 2020, congratulations, TD whisperer, you win a live show Dragon, who runs an orphanage, they hoard the children they raise.

They know I seem to remember this for the whole discussion about whether the Dragon kills parents and then adopt the orphans or just goes around finding orphans for like it’s important to establish which is true,

like I feel what you have. Is you have a dragon who kills parents and adopts the orphans and a second Dragon shows up to rescue those orphans and adopt them

makes sense they’re probably a bad parent.

Yet someone has asked whether the provenance of orphans really matters all that much i feel it does when the provenance is i’m doing murder.

I would argue legally the provenance of orphans is quite important
reasons of technicality whether someone is’s. It shows up as sometimes yes
mod paper
under the Baudelaires law

mod pencil
sorry my neighbours have decided to join lifestream
mod paper
so there is also the question of when they become adults do they still count as orphans for the Dragon purposes. Are they all just kicked out in 18 possibly consumed at 18 because if Dragons adopted them it has told control over their diet so it can flavour them.
i like how we’ve gone from a fairly wholesome the dragon is adopting orphans to the dragon is fattening up orphans to eat them at 18.

it’s farm to table.

someone asks If you’re an adult when your parents died what happens. you’re still getting adopted.

good luck stopping the dragon adopting you.

like the Dragon is just like i feel there’s like this feature so that the Dragon.makes orphans, which is a lovely mystic way of putting it there’s Dragon who adopts orphans and the Dragon who at the age of 18 takes care of them

like a halfway house

The Dragon might, let them out when they’re adult by Dragon standards. so they’re 200.

Is a good point the Dragon’s like none of my children make it to maturity, then ends upp with ofsted called on by another Dragon concern for the children’s welfare

campaign idea is you’re OFSTED inspectors try to inspect this Dragon school in a cave

i’m concerned whether the Dragon can adequately provide for the welfare of these orphans

but not to like be a downer, but i am 100% sure it can’t it’s a giant flesh eating lizard that lives in a hole.

hey some dragons live in forests, you’ve heardd of forest schools

dragons are rich, so a Dragon just pays people to come help i think what we’re making is dragon batman. Dragon Batman ever since Dragon’s parents were shot the Dragon has been adopting orphans and making them into little dragons in my costume and sending them off to fight whatever dragons fight, knights i guess

the problem is the modern media like to focus on the origins of Dragon rather than what it actually does once it has all the orphans

to many people who associate with joker manticore jesus

what wold Alfred Be in this situation imagining a kobold in a tuxedo

exactly the same, just an old man waiting on this dragon.

Michael Caine is just in a cave,

I would watch a movie that’s like michael caine in a cave trying to emotionally support this dragon. i would also like one where michael caine is a kobold but he’s just in a bad halloween lizard mask.

yes. i reckon he’d be up for it, he did Miss congeniality,
Ezriel von LMA in the chat says broke dragons want princesses to eat them, woke dragons want princesses cause they need occasional babysitters.

but when they go out they destroy the Castle so that the Princess is now an orphan and then adopt her. self perpetuating
i adopt all my babysitters.
Doesn’t everyone

there’s is a sentence to be interesting in -out of context already losing my grasp of English guys. yeah okay so we’ve got bat dragon… so why does bat dragon assume people be more scared of bats than they would be of a dragon

it’s the one thing dragons fear humans are afraid of mice. Yet I guess smaller, smaller one.

Yet dragons have like damage resistance everything except it would dragons see one bit of guano and put bat traps Around the Cave Just in Case they don’t want to see thaat
Spiders to humans i guess
Difference between a bat and a rat Is One Letter and One Pair of Wings

Every Every Year like 100 Dragons are Just Devoured by a single bat

the stat that the Average Dragon Eats 200 Bats a year Is inacurrate. bat georg, who lives in a cave…

So we’ve got a Pretty Solid grasp of the idea of our Dragon adopter. whic is Weird. Princess Kidnapping and Terrified Dragon Spent

Straightforward Story Idea There.

So How Would They Show up in a Natural campaign

and the Obvious Answer Is Someone Keeps Killing Parents.

Okay, I Do like Just Go to Town Every Single person there is a tragic dragon related accident.

Someone Gets Pregnant. In the Town. Presumably They Hide It for As Long As Possible, Consideriing when Dragon Finds out That Had Occurred

it’s like hot fuzz except That It’s Dragons instead of Middle-Aged White People – what am i talking about So My Reasoning Was Only a Dozen That Called Dragon Realises That Quite A Lot Of Really Relate to Walls

Very Little of Hot Fuzz is Related to Orphans Would Say Only Watch Movies for the Parts That Could Theoretically relate to orphans. gLoss over the rest we’re going toTake Some Questions from Chat, but We Do Have One from One of the Patrons Staff with an AncelLine wants to Know What Was the First Campaign That We Played in

the First Campaign I Played in I Was Genius for Going to Was an We Were Going into Solve Mysterious Disappearances That Happens Wasn’t Dragon -related Sadly and and I.E. Being Not to Be Good Seed Step to See What Would Happen What Happened Is That the Powerful Druid Room Showed up to Stop and We Have To Fight Them. We Type Them up and Then Gave Them to Wilhite Level I, Two Druid Just Left for Mighty and Shortly after That and Was Destroyed by a level 13 druid Woke up and Were No Longer Conscious, but We Want There yet Save. We Would What Matters

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I told because thinking it really depends what kind of game you want to play like the one shot go for something like fishes racist your character is basically your name and build skills as you use them, but then also stuff like power by the apocalypse systems can be quite fun if you one more serialise adventure entities I don’t configure favourite is IBS, a favourite film. So what remain the mood for. As a yeah there are some genuinely I never want to play this again kind of systems but then the stuff like I really like drama system I’m in the mood for something like, I don’t Wanna play dramatist sitting unhelpful and sober. Yeah, the next question. Most questions I did this like that. We just got one. The thing came up in. In a recent episode but is this is relevant reason. 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The question is, does every pairing from the campaign, have two children so that you can have the same number, yet are of the lake, some with one, some with three or do you just you assume that your party became a Pollock you’ll any pullout to characters and then put them back any time. Satan have any pairing at all like this sort of leaning towards another’s revolution stimulate slightly different like no and excessively male browsing replicated 10 life just apple wedges like time just produce a slightly different character concept under campaign, which will eventually, the idea of running a party with a hundred characters terrifies me like chili. If you have a hundred friends little not be straight holds a plan under day. 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It’s like there’s a Pokémon spider with a Big Lake or around this face does a camera spider that actually does that makes its own little diving bell and you shall be plate Getty asked go to film their old when his speciation are your sheets not heard of Wales. What happens if you let your goldfish go as we have to put balls, otherwise they would be too powerful. They have to be contained. Yeah, most are Wales, said there 0p. Yeah, what are the best CPC study girl dwarf Cialis but I don’t says just because they can elves that have weird coloured hair and I also have a coloured hair. I feel like I would. I feel I would go shop at a time limit to any of your adventures before doing the desert and is a full moon day guides. Does anyone have create water, was sorry to be related in the second edition. There was wheel dwarf leopard type of steel hybrids to every full moon would turn into a steel head that so specific. Yeah, like no-go play ball evil water. 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There is a character in one of my games at the moment prison be person with a swarm of bees. What if the Queen B is also a swarm keeper with a swarm of regular people, just like humans for the swarm of babies like swarm of toddlers, I guess, which is one of most horrific images and sending the fighter direct the most destructive force known to man is just by my inventory is just me and my box of my 10,000 toddlers like in the before times. My job involves groups of leg 20 toddlers and our has to within at least three swarms a lot of swarms to make a lot of toddlers who is basically a swarm inspirational like spice from the frothy bad/you don’t need thousands of top school also sounds like really weird motivation. Thousands of toddlers system based B-movie when world of darkness already exists, umpires wearables majors you of also which has to suggest a kindergarten scorekeeper which counsel wins. Yeah, this is your podcast now graduation defeat. 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This set up at the end of the third one and then there’s like three emotional nadir movies and never mention the fact that there are sharks in the cloud, and this bothers me more movie should like just cashing cloud shops much room as a major plot point and not can bring up again. I did like this in the wet shop near with, which is workshop need a lot of parents Lado end in the same way as shark made because that would be a horrifying search of mute the stream for a second. If you don’t wannabe’s. If you want China spoilers. He does get via Shaka maintains on his way out if there was a toddler, nadir that will be all kinds of horrifying, just doesn’t like that of the just, like, really white and swallow legacy make yet more complexity to the players cheese pretty certain face of existing media more needlessly. It’s not horrifying instant nadir because the way done this kind of funny because show made only in highly knows what it is like the second one had multiple wrestlers and Jed would do cameos. They knew it knows what it is. If it was a toddler shop nadir was a serious social black-and-white found footage shot Lado try to shop near possible, as you very well shop nadir. It is to have people hiding in old log cabins. You can hear leg third third top look outside and all the trees been bitten down our guard the man getting further away and make a monster movie about a mega Madonna with 50 giant prehistoric shark. It’s all right assuming each pupil yesterday and Chris. Importantly, though, does Nokia doggy think it’s in the dog dog is fine, not important which, yeah, we should possibly like to go back and lobby system. We just talk about things so was darkness. How about that vampire the masquerade’s going back to Seattle? Nancy don’t know she’ll play players yes, like I think like obviously putting up buyers is a bad idea. But is this something special spring bias white bottle every time the get it, yet discreet with vinyl players and is torture. We tell your players to murder a Spicks and Specks show your players keep following the hero’s journey time at all times. You railroad something like like Saddam was to feed one of the most unbearably potential in C. It refused to gain this selves alleging making clearance and like sires got only got experience when they should build one step in those journey EXPERIENCE, so you will mechanically ought to act heroes journey lockstep level of so. So the answer is just railroading is what you’re saying the answer is players at the state level 0 last day of what’s it called into the belly while the penalty doing them out of order, so just stood outside the big fight waiting seemingly go to next heroes journey to fuming a magical mental to early campaigns over Gogo know you can’t go home. That final step, the journey is just a kiss just the GM sat there like not leaving until all 21 steps of the heroes journey multiple different ones should bring their kin. They have an English degree. This is the only thing they qualified to do. Nick Hero journey to anyway. Here, yeah, suffice medium a heroes journey was not was not amazing popular step outside a house, back into equity is a recurrent problem of your accidentally along this like he joined a wrong party. When you are going. Yeah, there are definitely ways to do filling the sort of ones words like it or taking other stories where it’s like all I have to get the water to wet the stone to sharpen the act to condemn tree legality respond to a fairly simple request. Unlike a noticeboard and to do that one have to do another one and then before you know it you fighting a dragon just you can get someone’s cat home dragging orphans to skiing cats i.e. feel like the way this sort of to enforce role-play. If you don’t choose again kidnaps it then makes sense, and they can’t go home, which also sells the first step of the heroes journey the country – yet. And then they say no, let me go ground,’s refusal of the core down already. This gives you to experience spending six people kidnapped on your RPG its autonomic sense now again was the everlasting you all play. It was really weirdly total. Like, totally dissonant in that you had essentially like alerts, Dracula’s Launcelot and Cthulhu all in the same party which deal clashes a little bit silicone entirely ruin that game by playing the Dracula from dead and Loving it would ruin any. I would like to play that character and world of darkness acted to see hellfire could get it. The five had to do something edgy about five point refuses to succumb to the darkness and instead just ounces party that was just all Nielsen characters comedy Dracula got the guy from aeroplane that the bad guy from Surf ninjas at the Geffen police Academy will be an interesting party’s Peckham Academy, you just pick a random actor all of your characters just perfectly pick Sean Bean debt this social characters live, absolutely. I can only think of one when I’m sure there’s others. 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One guy from Waterworld is just like my have a boat sat in the middle of the mad Max wasteland by map Waterworld boat boat term, setting the best going to play waterlogged characters just dragged boat along maybe you could adapt to the bowl into some sodden land vehicle just you just love the Desi turnaround pirate ship is charged full speed. I mean, if you add wings to is basically got post-apocalyptic faith in Bang Bang which is also a campaign. I replied yeah percent Labour Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Mary Poppins’s apology played a game similar to that with you been the one stop game was fun moment. My main memory of it was becoming bondage OEMs Jonah where forms tightly to families context. This was the characters were time yeah should clarify games do not get that what like the Hedwig is brought back around to the grown-up character collapse in the apocalyptic research. One remaining roadblock to build sites deeply recessed box okay but I would play a game where basically we need to find all of the competent adults in the world world where investor competent adults left by the school before someone choice to water filtration system one small group of fighters in bondage gear to find the person that knows about buildings just you need to find one tailored suit. Wearing the themes 40 year these cheesemakers are actual shuttles of heard of this wonderful thing called the skirt. There is low to play character when you’re not just ghost fine word like about a lot of DMS is if you don’t have a skill need to roll freight you can just sailing. I know I spout off some facts about dragons yet. I explain how in the works. When I do sit there knifing situation. Then I do the opposite of’s naptime comes like is the same problem as playing a high-end character. We are just don’t know share my trophy. I can similar but opposite problem where you’re just like with characters, but I’m also quite impulsive. Yeah, okay, I’ve-my three bad ideas what would this carried actually do when you said you had your foes might as the incredibly high IQ GPS I have problems. Same all of an hosted screen, but this yeah I yet problem is all of my satellite in a Thai RL so I try and make like smart character, but regrettably, they do shift source of the plug refines a player high charisma character when you have social anxiety again I go, I go up to these important people and say something witty and profound like you got to me just say, if you throw spidering with one day I have to try that next time my character has to be charismatic and playing a paladin and won the game and say needs any charisma practice is the general problem like touch and it is a problem sushi new telly characters, but so you physically, how would you express executive disco stats by light for partially made systems. I get about, because IQ trying to more and like to think that’s what happens when 1 Disney character once to do the thing they swore happen. Yeah, we will natural wonder. Can’t going. If you roll a one income that say them telling my arm to swing the sword, but my arm is moving. Alternatively, just every time you want to do something. Yes, a roller D10. If you get a 10 to sell stand there or if you game set in 2020, flip a coin, yet 2026 always capture that is. There’s a heavy question asked do LGBT chew i.e. bus trips characters). The so a lot of this is the same as my, with right depends a lot on whether you are one people like bizarre, and whether you sis Heston trying to representation, I think, yeah, the general advice either sex to include wicker’s we have to just characters who are, but is from best not to try Dell to story sending by have a habit and character don’t delve incredibly deeply into story transition, but everyone is free. Everyone tell their own therapy sessions, D&D, something like I make a lot of Lake trans-by whatever characters because I am these things. Like most of my characters are non-binary and use the programs because I use. They pronounce role-playing is like useful for kind of presentation like the because of the forsaken different six. I think it’s underexplored is like a storm. We’re hobby definitely think like I was sort playing a lot of female characters while also coming to terms with trans-by way hence appearance but yeah, there’s death.
A lot more done with just macro weight isn’t offensive singles and having NPC’s just happen to be clear in some way. Yeah, I think so making is just basically, if you have NPC most suspect asked whether they have to insist’s all-weather like you can make is usually you can make some of this very rarely a case very rarely is it the case that the characters exist in like. Usually you can make someone clear that was a nonevent at yeah I think there is also the thing about the single thing a lot of and a lot of stray writers because visitor commands in terms of writing advice to daring do the variegated thing because they basically have a gay character and that character is killed off the personnel not opposed to gay characters dying as long as there are other gay characters. Yeah, I think, yet is a different gene, a gay character. Say, setting water, setting and don’t want gay characters. Those’ is don’t have the gay character of the tractor have a butchers data also needs to anything do is less likely stereotypical like if you have sort of like yellow if you have like a deceptive transponder Research sodium 120 barn and smaller, that’s a trait of this character rather than this is putting forth the people here like absolutely a have a flamboyant flirty gate wing is not the only gay character, yet all your gay character/daytrip tweaks here basically have a lot to cover a lot of great characters have incidental characters, yet heavier yesterday actual actual advice Dyson wackiness.

Yeah, I feel like this is maybe good point to wrap up the stream. Yet unless anyone has any more burning questions now piece someone has come to mentor you would excellent hair between us we have good my hair is 94 cm long hair is less long, then, that so speak ultimate chat. We are rendering it and who handle retroactive causality to young players shifts. I better quit. I would normally either have the time travel sources like either having a kind of case of my like time travel happens offscreen change is with all you have, like the players are players are somehow immune to light when time changes are what they’ve done now timely have to be at the end of the finish of your heart so you Peter Slattery happened out of universe still got to choose. Yet there is also the Star Trek approach of by going back and changing something, creating new timeline, so everything else is now irrelevant. You just massively railroad your players money knows you like notes, tight universe, you finally like to use all the way with no state law, time travelling, just railroading the universe, forcing it into whatever timeline you wanted ahead we could have said there is also not your place retroactive. Our selection yeah I think what you need to do is get all of screen or just life sit eight. This is what paradox feels paper bag. What paradox feels like they don’t know yet because temple and not sure if I have, you know, it feels like being hit with a newspaper which stated that there is a bit reality will legalise this think reality will building is just information to world building or do things every time the strips bottle sprays.

I want to know which way round artists, it does remind me of watching the charity adverts is declared thing every time I snap my fingers. A child dies. It’s every time, every time yeah, but has just like supporting your stock to to sit up. Just hold the switch button you keep splitting it until spoken NASA look 2020 every time a paradox occurs, gets asked that happened. Yeah, I think on the recourse to 26 dots every consequence has an action answered your questions all about retroactive causality photo. I think what we’ve done is go you publish the thank you everyone for watching.

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Bread and Thread – Arsenic

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LIZ
Hello and welcome to bread and thread a podcast about food and domestic history. I’m liz.
HAZEL
And i’m hazel. We’re two friends who studied archaeology together and love history and today we have an extra person, do you want to introduce yourself?
KATE
Sure my name is kate i’m an amateur fashion historian and interpreter which is a fancy way of saying tour guide, i can be found on instagram as miss_minutia, i research historical costuming, i research fashion history and broadly social history of the 19th century.
HAZEL
That is a very extensive list of credentials.
KATE
Thanks, i was doing my best.
LIZ
Our credentials are basically we like this.
HAZEL
Well we do have archaeology degrees.
LIZ
Yeah, but they haven’t come up much.
HAZEL
That’s true we did that cause we liked it. so to have a person who kind of does this day-to-day is that they can as well. So what got you interested in 19th-century, particularly-ish
KATE
I think it’s more because I like that kind of situation men I was. I grew up surrounded by a bunch of ENT site from my great grandmother’s house that were family rooms and most of them are a little bit newer but they sort of 19th-century feel they were actually 19th-century, and I was kind of raised on antiques Roadshow and that sort of the bulk of what they focus on there which, of course, you know you can talk about like eurocentrism and what comes up on shows like that, obviously, but am that was sort of a wound up being and then when I moved to Boston. The museums I love working in are primarily 19th-century house museums have a lot of those appear so that’s just kind of anything similar dresses away so we always start talking about.
So what we can working on making and baking so Hazel show giving as I finish my parish and its glorious, it’s just so like the and I are man am I digests. I enjoy it very much and really confident when I wear it like about the sale of the high C use. Unlike rate tax havens and so yeah, I have many ideas but I still have a whole entire sheep’s fleece that I need to do something with and saving my next thing will be doing something with that side of Edmonton stirring the pot because before but am our postman in my village is also shepherd and I mentioned to him one day that I did spinning and the next week he left an entire sack at my doorstep containing a whole sheet, so I still have that process and I’m gonna get quite ambitious and if I have enough in limit myself like a coat and what about early years so through my ridiculous pie crust projects always glorious mess that you can kind of see the areas where specific numbers like cluster up to gable as if I was in any way a mathematician, it would probably be fascinating, but it’s distracting and that’s okay. I am enjoying rainbow pie very much, just a wonderful concept and I am working on. In early 1890s winter outfit for an outdoor holiday market event and join one of the museums I work at the coat is almost I have to do the buttons in the hem, which is more work than sound like because I see my buttholes. I hear and still gives you more control and I’m about the stellar hat which has a much longer rim and the fact that I realised, so I will get baseball cap territory, while fantastic. I did my first ever handsewn buttonholes. A couple of days ago and the shot I made is, yeah, it was fun, but like because I can’t imagine having to do the amount of them that there are Victorian dresses for gives more control and I find it kind of relaxing second dislike pub on something on Netflix and just bang out some hands-on buttonholes. Okay, so this episode is gonna be about a particular kind of dye used in the 19th century, I believe, and so I think a lot of people are familiar with the infamous arsenic green as you mentioned earlier inside spin in quick videos and was because the world over because one of the things that history has become aware of and latched onto the as pop as you didn’t really go much deeper, though interesting topics, so this is a basic overview green actually refers to 2 different kinds of dye is the first one was hard as she was green invented in 1775 by and i’ll probably mangle this pronunciation are Carl Wilhelm Sheila was more colourfast and brighter than earlier green dies and the reason was that it was full of chemicals, including our cover arsenate, which was the arsenic compound that help give the colour and if you were wondering, yes, you did not was toxic. He actually wrote the letter to a friend. Something along the lines by one should say something about the site I wanted to be a problem and then he didn’t
money to be made, I suppose,
yeah, I get what scruples get in the way of the Victorian age,
or even earlier.
LIZ
Yeah, I guess technically all of the time-it’s just capitalism
was improved upon. In 1814, with the invention of something that was called either. Screen emerald green, the evergreen or 5 foot green, so try keeping track of all of those are a buy. Diaries and Bavarian in brass and start it was even brighter. There was more colour variation allowed depending on the grain size. The diet was even more colourfast. They finally published the recipe in 1822, which revealed groups are arsenic, so to speak, to basically ask the guys were very popular in the late 18th and the early mostly early to mid 19th centuries, and the thing of it as it wasn’t just green and lots of the new aniline chemical based dyes contained toxic chemicals move was actually another one that was known for causing particular amounts of trouble and interestingly enough. Screen was the first widespread chemical insecticides was a good sign in your clothing as starting in 1880s, people would spread it on on their crops to 1 to get rid of insects, just as it was like the dye. The same thing was how to combine advertisements for it for like. Screen insecticide or weedkiller. Things like that just to worry about mosques. If you close a drag insecticide so I would love to study a matter something so you could find arsenic green are pretty much in anything. The most popular image out is like the green ballgown like the feel ballgown fiddle vanity that later on, but it was in kennels. It was in toys. It was an upholstery and garment fabric, especially in our silk foliage likes of leaves and flowers and even candy. Actually, coloured candies and deserts doesn’t sound like a good idea to know if you use a small enough amounts you would probably okay emphasis on probably and it was very different for children and adults am there were news stories, including one 1840 Christmas party in London. Of course everyone’s name because of society, people where the hosts burned are green and gold candles and a bunch of children died from the arsenic fumes, gosh, how again totally like nobody’s name so you Will confirm how much of that was true. So grain of salt and all that, by and there was a danger enforced wallpaper was probably the biggest corporate because the pigment could flake off. Or it could outgas under warmer damp conditions, so any kind of like public concern about this at all. There actually was. There was a very interesting article published in 1861, where a silk flower maker named Matilda. Again, another name in public when a butcher told Matilda assurer to ignite your all wonderfully. She was a 19 year old. Our silk flower maker and she died on November 20, 1861. I’m not sure how the newspapers got hold of the story, but they they are the published typically worried accounts of her dying and am just a horrible agony she went through it. She died of severe arsenic poisoning and as a result, that whole thing became sort of a cause célèbre, if you will for upper-class women who are Rhiannon organisations like the lady cemetery association dedicated to various social causes, so am punch the magazine Punch published an article called pretty Poison Reeves with a quote that said, under such circumstances as these death is evidently about as accidental as it is when resulting from a railway collision occasioned by arrangements known to be faulty. So basically, even though Matilda’s death was ruled accidental. Everyone the sort of not buying that one lady named Miss Nicholson when around and visit other silk flower workshops all over London and found just absolutely wretched working conditions with these young girls and teenagers working with, you know, and can’t warning so my graphic medical descriptions ahead are like stories on their hands bloodied bandages. Some had just refused to work because they couldn’t take it anymore and all they knew was that the dye gave them quote a dreadful called “pretty dreadful, absolutely interesting how people definitely knew because I was listening to podcasts and things in jars is up, and though talking about this woman who arsenic murdered some family members blamed it on the wall paper saying I was really just inhaled. That’s why there was arsenic in the stomachs thing actually an interesting being that while knowing that you can use it as a defence in a murder trial and all of these things coming out about the working conditions and people still using it. It really was that it was done it was interesting, especially because after all these things came about the working conditions and that wasn’t the first time there was 1859 study of workshops in France, which actually resulted in French and German governments banning the pigments before the concern had even been raised to that level in in Britain and America, but the popular press, sort of. From what I found and again. My research was now exhausted by any means they sort of chose to focus more on the idea of the careless wealthy young lady who goes to a ball and arsenic died down and is dropping her suitors. Likewise, because addresses outgassing, arsenic pigments, so kind of interesting to. The whistleblowers were upper-class women and the people who are suffering the most. Were these working girls and teenagers at the popular press chose to turn into a thing of like holding a woman’s feel vanity and end the effect on others around her, not even aware of the dress herself for concerns of this lady who’s wearing the B arsenic dress and to do with those newspaper owners who probably need maybe also had some money invested in these diets as a guest ball on the interesting thing about looking at where the money is coming from is more in the case of William Morris wallpaper designer who actually despite campaigning for better conditions for some workers, he inherited Stark in arsenic mine. So, famously yet he famously called the concern over arsenic dye which fever and actively campaigned to get people to not believe in it
HAZEL
Really super interesting to know because I got quite interested in the life of William Morris was reading around them. Yes, as one of the things they don’t tend to tell you is like a hero is like British, all held up as well, as you know this person who thought the art for the masses, in better working conditions and things so turns out he was a full wave at people and history can be like really amazing socially on one axis and then you look at something else.
And there is a clear sort of conflict of interest because were complicated yeah so consumers didn’t suffer from the arsenic poisoning. There was this to go off a laundry list. There is 1848 article in the Lancet about a brother and sister who got sick after working a toy rabbit. Their mother gave them green rabbit with green elements already another colour. By 1858, a three-year-old boy died after eating fine flakes of wallpaper, pigments, and 1862, Dr Thomas Orton was called to a family’s house when everyone, including their pet parrot began to get sick after they hung new wallpaper with a really bright pigment to it and then one of the few American examples I found was 1861 and the Boston medical and surgical Journal right here in my hometown of a boy made sick from sucking on a green concert ticket while they are like even that little amount. It was, it was worse with children because adults can metabolise more arsenic safely and by obviously children can’t handle the same dosage. So the speak in an interesting way in terms of the whole green ball gown, which is still what you see in modern like depictions and museum exhibits, and things like that. And clothing actually wasn’t the worst offender because you really touching your body, especially if you’re a woman, are you have like five layers of underwear between your other dress and am your actual skin suit the most concern with clothing that you see is from things like gloves and stockings that are actually in contact with your body. There was one account of the poisonous socks was a time of the article in the Lancet 1968, where Mr Webber brought some harmful dyes to the attention of his local aldermen in our inner council meeting or something and it was a day at the Drury Ln, Theatre, who suffered a rash on 1 foot, which she was wearing a bright red stocking and the news from the stocking the other foot had a white stocking laundering the performance, so you get more issues where the clothing actually comes in contact again is only a rash you’re not really dying from wearing arsenic dye clothing a the when people are actually ingesting it for breathing it in your okay so I think that wallpaper is the like perfumes or the articles. Yeah, yeah, like flakes of paint that fall off the wall where there is some theory that it might have contributed to Napoleon Bonaparte’s death and his something about when the actual study was done and something that is tissues. They may be a test of some of his remains in the tissues contained really really unusually high levels of arsenic and so there was a theory that the wallpaper where he was in on the island outgassing. The day up and gave him slow arsenic poisoning casino there could be other nations. Arsenic was also used as a medicine. In some cases, interestingly, still using some medicines today in very, very small quantities so sort of interesting brush with fame there for the arsenic poisoning her so there was any effort like you know it, how they remove asbestos from houses today and is whole industries of like people who are trained in removing asbestos and I know that because I used to work and transcribing, and one of the things I trust I was a podcast about asbestos is interesting to ours, but very necessary. And so, yet I will. I wonder if there was one people in rented accommodation that might have had this and whether, and there was a push to remove it or not, I know for sure about that. I do know that after a certain point, manufacturers began advertising are wallpaper, in particular as arsenic free. You can find ads from mostly the 1870s into the 80s and beyond. Of am. It is beautiful wallpaper images and then in big letters along with like fibre colours and new design things like arsenic free, so I don’t know whether there was necessarily much of the removal push, but there was certainly a push among manufacturers to respond to consumer demand that their wallpaper not contain massive levels of lethal poison so plenty some new dies were found as well that had other ways of being colourfast without quite the same level of harmful chemicals and some people still use other forms of dye to. There is this misconception that if you look at any green Victorian item. In general, but again this usually gets applied to upper-class women stresses, which is a really interesting prejudice and that you can tell that it has arsenic dye because of the shade of green screen general and asked really really not true. Even less so if you know wallpaper so mad if you do live in rented accommodations and you might be wary of three more paper if you knew about it and, or, you know, you just find yourself coming down some symptoms are not really knowing why UK say it’s interesting that people would pick out this I mean, although it was actually right that it is extremely toxic. It interesting that there was this focus on this one, rather then you know. Also, I’m sure there were a lot of other devices that were quite toxic. I am in on Cilla nights I suppose I would have had nothing to do with the society lady vanity bank site interesting, especially because even at the time. Green seems to be latched onto and despite, as I said, like moles enjoyed a brief period when that was known in 19th-century popular press as the toxic diver, to watch out for greeting you latch onto and I have to wonder if it had to do with all the studies done into the silk flower workshops because the primary issue, there was the green. They use a lot of it because you’re replicating leaves and stems and things like that. And then there were some images and drawings. Colour drawings actually published with the 1859 French study arm that have these really are affecting visuals of like he ends with bleeding sores that are tinged green from the dying green under fingernails and things like that, you have to wonder if maybe the green just had better publicity and that it just became sort of the better-known colour even though other dies like the story with the denser her stockings red, not green and that’s still causing skin irritation self. Maybe it is good publicity would see red and purple dies arsenic-based as well because I was just wondering because there was definitely a period where arsenic was big in the public imagination because of all of the so the Penny dreadful’s and things are calling arsenic inheritance how they could use it to knock a few wealthy relatives yeah sing other dies. They contain arsenic, yet they didn’t arsenic in, or other equally harmful chemicals and so yet I suppose it’s just you notice a dumb luck that green was seized on by the guy I really am interested in that that green wallpaper case with them with a woman outside a woman who won poison her family and then blamed on the wallpaper to find that the nuts is really fascinating. Also do a link to the podcast episode please do yeah yeah I wonder that anything was inspired by all the press coverage in this. This is a good excuse I can use exactly. Yeah, that might definitely have been where you got the idea to turn to Bamber for failing blamed on the wallpaper and you Wanna touch again on the whole feminine then anything just because I found really interesting major urban legend that kind of plays into this hall, like poison down careless woman thing of any type of situation. First of all, it’s putting the focus on individual responsibility, as opposed to manufacturer and oversight, which this familiar to anyone you know, living in the time of climate change are where we are that before, but also there is a leader urban legend first recorded in the 1930s about a girl who goes to idiots in either a second down or a gown from Mike and Skiddaw’s department store and then dies of formaldehyde poisoning from swelling in the dress because it actually came off a dead person arm and some of these have a ghost element. The earliest recorded versions were also racist because they pointed out that the original owner was black specifically and so there’s an element of racism well you know someone getting above her station, so to speak, and then dying or being eventual spirit and but that really reminded me of the idea was to review the arsenic ban in the 1860s, spreading the poison around her and is hurting others, although now it’s been shifted so that the punishment of the vanities on other people on the woman herself. That’s quite interesting actually because the poison dress thing is actually quite old, and device and there is. I mean it goes back to something like some of the Icelandic sagas of the Vikings have think there’s one I can’t remember of that of my head. The name of it because it is not, but there’s a story about a woman who wants her son to inherit her husband’s lands and not her stepson, and so she makes a shirt for the stepson and weaves into a all these kind of evil curses and then of course her own son accidentally goes on dies is also things like jet in a jealous, jilted lovers and making a gifting address to the husband’s new wife are poisoning the address so that when she puts it on. She graphically dye the wedding so the right thing yet yeah kind of poison clothing. Poison dress is quite evocative image really is really as there was an exhibit at the Ambala shoe museums in Canada some years back where it was all about arsenic. Green dye clothing are well okay, it was about am so fed up owning a harmful clothing and included a bunch of arsenic died things from the collection and they actually did the only way to tell if something is contaminated with arsenic so they went to their collection and am chemically tested pretty much everything green because green was the best known, but they did omit the other colours to arm and there. The opening room of the display had a skeleton wearing an arsenic dye ballgown in the display case and it harking back to an image in punch when it was that first scandal over the. The dye workers are the outlook for our workers and where they actually had a comic, the arsenic waltz, which showed a female skeleton female skeleton” and in a ballgown and then a male skeleton in the suits of bowing and offering his hand to her, so it is very evocative image. I guess that poison green thing as well. Cream is associated with that green with envy or classic bottle of poison is always good green liquid always have green donating evil magic is green is interesting because so much of the silk flower thing was designed to create that feeling of like nature and pastoral and goodness and let that wound up being one of the primary avenues for the toxic die – yeah, yeah, I guess there’s always that unite selling something on the basis of nature looks natural law is supposed to be natural in its not necessarily. I mean in terms of dies and I am about natural dyes, you know, being and more sustainable like better than none and synthetic dyes which are not an expert on this, they may well be certain in some respects capably up and but then they know they won’t necessarily perfectly good on the environment and in certain in the quantities that they were being produced and it sometimes in history and it could cause environment damage and there are chemicals used with so I guess the one I wanted Alan and Mantz, but I don’t know whether or not that’s harmful, but they did use chemicals to bind these things they learned that sometimes a green dye apparently still Be recycled or composted. Even now there are not likely to give you a rasher kill you and your painter wallpaper, but apparently it stood a difficult colour to create in a way that completely safe in all respects. So that was interesting. Well, about the dye and affecting the combustibility of the life of an item that much, I suppose, because there’s just such a variety available to us today and we we do something about it. Yeah, that’s not something often considered, I did also want to mention that and I have touched many green Victorian things of my bare hands and you saw Trinity Doll dealer in your city. And I have not yet experienced, rashes and skin irritation. There was one doll dress I encountered once were that had green spots that we are kind of, you know, speculated, and I felt like my he hands it over the laughter attached, but that also could have been psychosomatic because there wasn’t any redness rasher anything just goes to show that it might be less common than people think, but it’s definitely not the situation you separately any green Victorian dresses lethal and it’s going to kill you and give you arsenic poisoning is not really the situation and how long it can, whether or not it has like an expiry date is the wood with these things still be as potent as they were the people handling them today. Very interesting question, and I know the chemical studies about it as far as I know, kind of tapered off and popularly answer those first few studies in the mid 19th century, the lady said her association actually sent us a silk to add to be studied when they were doing the whole inquest into the am the silk flower workshops and there was another study done in the 1890s, but it was using then contemporary fabric and there was certainly still enough to be detected by researchers like those the Bata Shoe Museum or in the hidden killers show with a did the out the wallpaper sable book test on know you would have to deal would have to have taken like test results from a textile originally and then have the same textile and tested. Now here I guess you could do you good. Dye something with arsenic dye for scientific purposes grandchildren come back and tested a hundred years later, yeah, yeah, they said about the other top the current toxicity of addresses at the Bata Shoe Museum curator said, quote we’ve been advised not to make it unquote so. Amazing covers a lot of things. I also find it interesting that would be the silk flower workshop thing which I didn’t know before, but that you know that sparked off all this interest in in the working conditions like people like people were just kind of having these these lovely silk flowers on the clothing and rethinking about a man. All this came out to people collectively like oh oh working conditions yeah, it’s the kind of thing that perhaps they were aware of obliquely before, but in writing about and then someone had to bring it to their attention. I find it really interesting that France and Germany responded by being like how well we can have this and burning the dies I am not sure it was actually ever banned in the UK distills an agreement not to I I can find any dates of burning in the UK or here in America, so it’s entirely possible that it was never the end of those places that I could be wrong. I could be missing something and it could have been banned, but it might have just in the inner consumer pressure on technology improvements and saw a phased out. Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge with studs. There was fascinating. He really think slightly creepy journey into the text of past really interesting research about I had done some looking into it before, but never in the kind of depth I would actually like record names and dates of my sources and things like that. So thank you for having me that you are giving me the opportunity to look into it more.
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Liz
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Kate
very much so
Liz
fish and chips is known as its one of the quintessential British foods. Yeah, no that is British, honestly, that doesn’t surprise me at this point of no so we think that the battered fish itself and probably comes from is a Dutch or Iberian and Jewish communities sign interesting that it’s one of those to consider really touch me, although there is. There was a lot of conflict between Spain and the Netherlands at various points, so maybe that’s got something to do with the confusion of mostly battering and frying fish on the Friday evening so that you can eat it during the Sabbath without having to cook and then that gets combined with the idea of chips is really useful, so it made its way to Britain somewhere in currently the 1860s. Other fried fish itself and chips themselves are mentioned separately in various Charles Dickens books, including all the twist which is 1830s, but there is strong debate about whether the first chippy, there is a place selling fish and chips specifically was in London or Mossley, which is now part of greater Manchester. I imagine there will continue to be strong debate about that for you. Sure, you got them versus London, but it basically became this stock working class meal and during that in that industry. Because there was suddenly industrial fishing, so fish is. This becomes accessible to working-class people is basically the first takeaway meal as opposed to the force of street food snacks at the system where you can going and you get get a big lump of tasty stodge to get you through a terrible life for another day like one of the only things where you can get like proper value for money like good amount of chips ideal, and this is sort of like authentic British pub food here in the states rehab like a pub that has like union flag, garlands, and they probably some model of the target somewhere.just like every absolutely authentic British pub clearly see a lot of chippies now are actually combination fish and chips and Chinese food to sign interesting clues you got this sort of Chinese immigrants in relatively poor areas basically combining and their cuisines with what is already established working-class British cuisines in one shot, yet I think actually you get at least check from much every takeaway I think there’s a lot of love Telco replaces ingot health and how are you the right to pass a forfeiture interesting, so a couple of fish and chips facts. There is exactly one chip shop on Gibraltar and I looked at its Facebook page and it has a lot of reviews that are basically, this is the best chippy in Gibraltar with a lousy guest by default wrong. It’s called rose fish and chips and ages. The honeymoon there is excellent. I love chocolate names like some of them are like like the one in where levies could the Swan are many get some are just like Roy’s chips injury, the ones with names, so there’s one does a train station in my parents house that has a chip shop in it’s called the plaice station like PlayStation both tolerable number of horrible perfect. It was one of the few foods not subject to rationing. As Churchill saw it would basically keep the working class going and it is also mentioned in the Road to Wigan Pier as a panacea to the working classes being angry with everything en route to Wigan Pier, the wrong that is very important question. The UK is in the places near you. Do fish and chips can you get scraps never tried are that the stratified banner rate. Yeah ISI, I have been informed by medicines and I never tried am. I don’t know that anyone would try here. I think most Americans are kind of foreign to the idea. So if you suggested at the car we say so you go round the back of the restaurant was the places that you adhere art like counter service to like sitdown restaurant diners see have to go round the back and be like Hayek and I have your your bits of fried batter your New England weather so much like cultural overlap, I feel like you were just get looked at funny and totally want, like American people listening, let me know if you’ve ever done this comment on the Twitter if you’ve ever done this and am, I will be thoroughly corrected by the culture here. Just when I was a kid living near Newcastle, he should be able to get them for free. I don’t know if it’s time or geography now places charge you for the 50-50 hall English p a bag about scraps. It’s a scandal no. I honestly like I think it might be more.
Hazel
Another thing, perhaps because I know this is admitting something I had never heard of scraps until, like maybe last year, like, even when you lived in York he didn’t come across certain and I guess branch out enough in my fish and chip culinary journey
Liz
bullying you into trying chips and gravy
Hazel
yeah allows those like yeah like is not on the menus are anything down here, but maybe if you asked, they would give it to you but is not like a thing is not that I know of.
Liz
Okay so I have one more bit of trivia about fish and chips, so Hazel will be well aware that there is a lot of debate about what, if any wet substances you have with efficient service. You can have gravy mushy peas just vinegar as you go to a Chinese GP can get Chinese curry on your fish and chips is also Welsh, then curry sauce. I don’t know if it’s a waltz thing, or if it’s just a thing that you can get in Wales, so this is a lot of the combination Chinese GP places over some beta just just chippies do have like a single curry sauce in the back. If you really want to do half and it gets refreshed and apparently around Edinburgh. There’s a substance called chippy sauce is a combination of brown sauce and vinegar which they try again because the consistency I think it depends on. I cannot find what the consistency is what I found was mostly just the bits of those two things and pictures of chips with a brown substance on. I know how I feel about that seer that is a brief guide to fish and chips
and I want fish and chips. I actually got way to get fish and chips. How far like to sit down restaurant are why get right now because restaurant arose because it would have to be to a sitdown restaurant that does fish and chips and chip shops actually thing here so to make your own. I will I will have to learn
Hazel
did make my own to try to do that once when I was living in Vietnam, I tried to make it a birthday from my friends and the kitchen floor was covered in grease for the next week if you’re an amateur fish and chip maker. It’s quite tricky to manage.
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Bread and Thread – Forks

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LIZ
Hello and welcome to bread and thread a podcast about certain domestic history i’m liz…
HAZEL
and I’m Hazel. We are two friends who studied archaeology together and love history, as well as making and or baking anything that we can so what have you been creating recently?
LIZ
At your request. I have been trying to figure out how to mosaic crochet. It’s amazing I haven’t quite got my head around it. Yeah, because my brain says no, you can’t keep skipping everything that they think I’m almost there.
HAZEL
I really confess at this point I have actually never done mosaic crochet mosaic mixing, but I don’t know how you doing Thursday but and those that haven’t come across it mosaic, crochet or knitting a technique in which you kind of skip some stitches and do others in order to make it look like a mosaic and like to colours and contrasting colours interacting to make and recall physically is going to make me address and I asked what I can make a return because reciprocity and friendship is risky when so are really bad at finishing big projects will you learn this technique and make me a blanket so I’m trying. I am very excited and very much appreciate and I have finished the bank exactly once in my life, so it’s probably be black and hot pink all that a good combination combination look really bold and interesting, and also be really easy for me to keep track of which there is which. Excellent. So what have you been working on
HAZEL
i’ve been on a finishing kick at the moment, which is very odd for me and but I think that’s partly getting to the end of the year night. Basically, having finished much and I like I have quite a lot of projects and against the point it signs many dog guilty of finding new ones so you like. It’s time you know, so I am sure there are a lot of people that can repeat and so I’m kinda small. I finished a beaded Christmas bauble has a dragon is very, very call his name is Cedric and I love them very sparkly and so that’s a product from last year. That is finally done and now I’m finishing off a time earlier this year and you don’t have to admit how long I don’t even know but it is a crochet hat and it’s nice and I actually need a hat so I mean, as a measure of how long it’s been the young, the colour of this is actually faded a little bit at the top, from where it was left on the chair next to a window all along. Fortunately, it looks kinda cool. So is it an ombre hat and everything is funny that ombre hats are in this year is definitely not a trend that I don’t even know how trends work any more. That would bring back ombre hair. The thing I don’t remember on behalf of clothing was definitely a thing there was a while well liked. Everything was ombre, but it is not this day, so surprisingly related to trends and your see why. Would you like to learn about forks I most certainly would. I’m excited, cutlery, although I keep being tempted to pronounce it cuttlery. I thought that might be a different thing for life outside the cuttlefish version of humanities claims against cutlery. Actually, yeah, the cuttlefish thing and are used forcefully. I believe what it’s worth. Note that great fish or cutlery forks. The basic idea of something long and prolonged for grabbing things is, you know, you pick up a stick and you do that birds do, that the do think the first and eating forks are go with maybe 18th-century as is like a standards dinner table.

LIZ
Okay you are right in terms of Great Britain all out for the oldest forks that archaeologists are sound date to potentially 2000 BC wow and Bronze Age civilisations alongside the yellow River in China, how, and to the pretty much always been used in China, which has been a class thing, because basically eating with a fork gives you more than overbite think there is a lot of people now have an overbite rather than looking like ancient skulls because it was forks how I remember vaguely hearing about so you can actually tell who’s been using a fork in the archaeological record and especially the hand
HAZEL
that’s amazing.
LIZ
And these would be Bronze or later you have a bronze forks in Greece, Persia at any of these still usable, but I kind of like the idea of eating with Alvin Gerald for, you probably get kind of a weird taste from the pedigree on the bronze were only if you can steal from a museum. You could probably use it as far as I’m willing to go is ethical to steal an ancient book museum in order to perform experimental archaeology. Answers on a postcard,

HAZEL
so what’s next in the journey of the fork,
LIZ
and so spread through the Middle East and then by the 11th century. We got it in Italy at the same time as pasta, especially long pasta like spaghetti becomes corporate more prominent. So between that and the noodles there is speculation that it’s basically forks were created versus earlier meeting with hands or with just a single spike for that we could eat noodles. I love that. And if you’re listening about it using chopsticks. Don’t worry forks were literally developed for this purpose.

Before you mentioned the word forks it did sound a bit like we were talking about a disease like spreading through the Middle East and in Italy and in a lot of diseases did spread through the Middle East into Italy Road. Yeah but they said, “the silk Road, but it’s forks for this box if I know ones right now in her box and see by the 1600s, you’ve got the middle and upper classes arriving to dinner with their own fork and spoon in a special box called the Kadena fancy which this specific thing the Kadena was then introduced to the French court by Catherine Medici, who you may know from the show. Rain amazing. I will admit to enjoying a bit of rain and but it’s been a while and it is the fork mentions like the auxin forks used in rain as I remember watching it and pointing out to Nick was forks of historically accurate like that. But they could have had historically accurate, and so they picked the ball a lot of shows even show set in the mediaeval era have people eating with two from forks, regardless of whether they actually would have. I assume because it looks kinda gross to see people picking up food like you only really see that when it’s like I’m Henry VIII and I am gluttonous and terrible and eat the meat with my hands. Yeah, through the bones of my shoulders, even though like this. A royal dining room. So yeah, we have writing by Cory’s Corrie’s from 1611 mentioning forks, but they were viewed as an Italian affectation and actual saint is on record as saying that it seemed effete and excessively delicate is effeminate to use a fork again, and actual saint was auntie for the next thing we can bring back in 2020 anti-forking. I feel like this is not the year to become less hygienic use of Dr Anthony recommends using a fork, so the forks and spreads to Britain with an so the fork actually spreads to England with Catherine of bring down the who was a Portuguese princess and wife of Charles II. Okay, that rings a bell because of the horrible histories done so, she introduces it to the English aristocracy in the 17th century and then by the 18th century, its expected that there will be forks if you go somewhere to eat. Okay, you don’t have to bring your own now like super fancy didn’t really become popular in the US until pretty much the American Revolution okay and Charles Dickens actually talks about people eating in Pennsylvania on a riverboat that they trust their broad bladed knives and to prompt forks further down the throats than ever I saw the same weapons go before except in the hands of a skilled juggler, Americans were apparently not good eating forks, according to Charles Dickens in 1842, dramatic, and is also cut from 1887 book of manners, explaining that forks are now fashionable and explaining to the reader how to use a fork correctly, including for eating ice cream and ice cream for so there are a lot of kinds of forks superbly have some of them like a chip fork leg. We talked about last time, or a desert fork with the long prongs and there is also a cake fork or pastry fork which I quite like which Bisley has one time flattened. I do like the cake fork. Yeah, so me and like scoop up the cake and then there is also an very various kinds of fork break the ice cream for the berry for an and the terrapin fork. What sorry terrapin fork and which was used for eating, turtle soup, because these are all sporks that, an important definition. There are different. You know that slightly different, so that you have to go miles to be fashionable are. And yeah, there is a chance that people like Jane Austen would have eaten with the spork. Amazing. I mean, I know they probably would have got that because like concept of matting to us yet. I wasn’t as big, but I like to imagine. Elizabeth looked winningly at Mr Darcy over her spork. It does make sense to spork these things because you got fruits served in syrup. Anyone and the syrup you got a soup which has bits in it or maybe spear a bit of terrapin when eating a turtle soup and. Interestingly, so during this kind of consider Jane Austen. People know what that is and ice cream is often served, moulded and have a slice of ice cream on a plate and you county off the plate with a spoon because that’s uncouth. No doubt you have a spoke cut a piece of the oft, the chunk from the mould that you got a new play any spirit or if it started to melt, you can scoop it up with. Again, your spork, possibly sterling silver spork from Tiffany’s as a breakfast at Tiffany’s because they did sell sporks are said that included sporks. Now I want Tiffany’s jewellery. I’m sure it is possible to still somehow get Silver sporks, even if it is only as a charm bracelet or something like an earring. I would love spork earrings while so at this point was it was. It’s still like last thing I had.

It spreads this box trickle down sporks don’t seem to triple down triple down, trickled down I can use words because these are yellow you are hosting dinner parties. Everything has to be very proper to get all the correct cutlery. Most people probably just use a normal fork. Most people would not have had ice cream imagine or total suit. Yeah, imagining like most lower class people and eating ice cream on the regular street food at this point in the little tiny at ice cream as a street food is double checked now precise but and the penny being way to get like an adult sheep and ice cream in a cup and and then you finish as they refill the cup to somebody this, the penny lick is late 19th century and was banned in Britain in 1899. Really, really sterilise the glasses cholera no yelling. Poorer people may well have had the berries in syrup and some of the things that you could eat with the spork but probably just used spoons. Okay, I am. I am just imagining up-and-coming merchant coming home, darling. I bought the sporks hours for: family display them fork with forklift so that is a brief history of forks and spot walks. That is fantastic and love it.
MOD PENCIL
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and see if you want an episode about all anything you want. All C1 recipes. We have a patreon on a patron that has a discord server. You can also email us at bread and spread podcast@gmail.com if you have any suggestions or ideas or am want to tell us whether or not it’s okay to steal the spot museum experimental archaeology and you can find us on Twitter at bread and thread. Hazel does our local Larder this week

jellied eels
LIZ
lovely.
HAZEL

Now this is quite a famous one and internationally famous it, but it’s certainly pretty famous within Britain and possibly Europe and as a London dish, specifically the East End of London you if you are a cheeky Cockney stereotypical East End food and it’s one of those things like fish and chips. That is like a tea at relatively cheap street food type thing. And although, as I will mention it develops into a thing, suggesting that people might be gentrifying food surprisingly well. Unsurprisingly, no one has yet managed to gentrified genuine surprises me. I like to gentrified brought during the early 2006. Pie and mash by mash shops have become me binding jellied eels are pretty sure still remains something that is quite particular to older people living in the sand and although there are still a few shots that I like doing a roaring trade is also debatable. It’s to still going out. I’m sure if I could become an aficionado of this regional dish. Myself and Eel is Eel as you expect, and it’s Eel and usually white, all with a kind of like special sauce, so get married but delicious usually contains things like herbs or spices and vinegar and and because the animal is quite eels are quite gelatinous so that kind of goes out into the source as you get and then when you put into pots and that all solidifies around Eel and preserved so as is it just the collagen from the Eel does that then rather than adding jelly in Calais. Yes, I remember maybe different recipes hanging around, and I’m not sure what you bought jellied eels and, say, a specialist market is something or you can get them in some national markets now as well, and they may contain extra preservatives shelf life and but I believe the traditional way to make them is is just to have the Eel stuff like preserving and because this is actually quite and all staying relatively and this, apparently, eels have been eaten for a long time and the rigours of Europe used to be absolutely full eels and unfortunately they are not really today and but back in the day the River Thames was chock-full of eels. They were super cheap and therefore they may great food for the masses like a great snack and so jellied eels go back at least as far as the 1700s and possibly older, but an this is a period where London is expanding quite rapidly in the Industrial Revolution, and so that becomes a thing like you can get stalls and shops, specifically selling jellied eels and, like Eel-based snacks, and so Eel pi is also popular and I would definitely eat your high I have tried jellied eels, jelly was offputting. I don’t do savoury jelly. Okay, yeah, I sometimes so try it in hi form absolutely. I hope to one day and there is still quite you shops in London where you can get apparently very good. Eel pi traditionally served with mashed and this is also served with what good Eel which is a source which is a bright green parsley and a new server like with the pie so that your client must show parsley accommodation like this and I mean it looks quite nice and so became Mike really very popular in the 19th century, Victoria, and though people who can afford to have a shop would be walking around with their like tray or their cart selling eels with these stills from the Thames at this point because I believe some of them still work but also a lot were being shipped over from places like the Netherlands as well, I’m just thinking about the whole the Thames was basically a big open sewers, saying those Eel libre were one of the very few fish that can survive in the Victorian veering at this so gradually, as the kind of street food in the city started to get a bit more formalised and I mash shops that is open and and they became like super popular and selling jellied eels as classic, apparently selling live eels as well home and and they there are pictures of some of the early 20th-century ones and their they have that real kind of Allsop aesthetic, you know, like the anti-hand-painted signs for cancers and so yeah, let’s hope for a new you know that Hannah that the tiled shopfronts that were popular in like late 19th and 20th centuries, and that its yeah Michael, so there are several famous families in London that still run these high heels.Eel dynasty. Yeah, I think this is right for like a peaky blinders style drama absolutely set in the Eel jellied eel business, so the old. Apparently Manzi Munns is unsure how M ANZ and founded by a immigrant from Italy in the 1870s and apparently began selling pies after failing in the ice cream business. I ended up with like a little Eel Empire like he had a few pie shops around London. This stereotype one is your you. Tell your new move to Britain so I but not in London know the sand eel and so one of the shops is still open and it pollen burst open and I mentioned that there is one open in another one on Sutton High Street, so the back of one of the original. So if you Wanna give it a go. You can go there and run by the family at the so that’s awesome. Yeah, and in 1998 and they opened the shop in Sutton and giving the family the chance to say that they ran the oldest and the newest biomass shops in London before them is great and must still be true. They have, and I guess them, but they still have the orders. There’s also the pie shops and which was also a popular chain and get quite a few other families are still going. So really have like a dedicated clientele who, coming back and I think it’s starting to become a bit of a thing as well as the most popular tourist in London because people like to try and apparently they they become quite popular with people like business lunches as well because secretary Blunt since a short history and modern day update on the jellied eel and you’ll hi situation and so you think which one would you try exploration and heal situation. Yes, and yet they don’t have any more ready and unfortunately the Beale situation in terms of the population of the country’s great but I believe most come from Europe or the full.

LIZ
Thank you for listening. As we said, we do have a picture of young bread and thread if you want to check some pounds or dollars, or whichever currencies you jelly deal. If you and given when this episode goes up. Happy holidays. Whichever, if any, are celebrating a merry winter solstice, even to you all to thank you for listening and we will think you
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Probably Bad 26 Garage Wizards, Face Jail, and Garlic Humidifier

D&daniel

In the bleak midwinter frosty wind made moan. But you don’t have to listen to that, you can listen to this podcast instead, thanks to hedwig and carlo.

Opening music

Mod pencil

Hello and welcome to the probably bad podcast, a podcast which is definitely bad. I’m pencil.

Paper

I’m paper. Today’s probably bad rpg idea is…

Dice roll.

PAPER

Outlaw backstories. Pcs have amnesia. Npcs have amnesia, heck, everyone has amnesia. Submitted by the appropriately named effects of entropy.

MOD PENCIL

Also you’ll notice my sound doesn’t sound absolutely garbage.

PAPER

Unrelated to the idea, but the new microphone is good. Thank you patrons.

MOD PENCIL

So the idea as opposed to bragging about my basic competence… I do have actual memory issues so I feel if I can lean into those with my RPG idea it’s not that I am being bad with that basic thing it’s that I am artistic and intelligent.

PAPER

It also gives a good excuse for not planning anything. Oh yeah I’ve got this whole developed world, problem is noone in it knows anything about it, so if it sounds like I’m looking stuff up or trying to think of an idea, that’s just the characters trying to remember stuff. They need time to think.

MOD PENCIL

I’ve not forgotten my notes what I’m doing is an experimental rpg.

PAPER

I’m method dming.

MOD PENCIL

So if you’re covering up your incompetence it’s a great idea. You can also do this as a character – oh no I haven’t forgotten my strengths, my character’s just got amnesia about what their strengths are.

PAPER

I feel it would be difficult to do with a pc cause you do need basic stats but in terms of improvising a whole setting and adventure I’m into that.

MOD PENCIL

I feel the best game sessions are more improvised than planned, which is a controverisla opinion, but I tend to improvise a lot of my sessions.

PAPER

I think there’s a point where you can plan the setting too mcuh and there’s not really room to have fun within it.

MOD PENCIL

What is it? I think it’s powered by the apocalypse who says draw a map but leave blanks. I definitely feel there’s something in an entire setting that’s completely made up… As opposed to all those real d&d settings but you know what I mean.

PAPER

Yeah, there’s also stuff like if your character wants to worship the god of sharks, if the setting has been made without a god of sharks you can’t play that character.

MOD PENCIL

I guess it’s the yes and thing of improvisation.

PAPER

It is, it’s the way I tend to play RPGs, one step beyond the rule of cool, of like if it doesn’t contradict established information about the world and sounds fun why not.

MOD PENCIL

We’re giving actual advice here.

PAPER

It does happen.

MOD PENCIL

Follow up question, do you need basic stats to play?

PAPER

I think at minimum you need basic stats and some idea of what character class you are.

MOD PENCIL

That’s fair. To be fair I have done character as – npcs without statting them up at all, they have roughly this bonus in this area.

PAPER

Oh yeah I think for npcs they just need the stats you need them to have. I thought you meant for pcs.

MOD PENCIL

I think in the sense of if a roll comes up roughly how much do I think they do at this roll. I guess you could do that with pcs, but you get the problem of oh yeah my pc has plus 20 in everything.

PAPER

In terms of the actual way the idea’s phrased, I do feel there’s an adventure to be had there of either a monster or wild magic event has completely robbed the town of their memories and the pc has got to fix it would be a genuinely interesting one shot.

MOD PENCIL

An idea I’ve liked but never had a chance to write or play or what have you, is just an apocalypse instead of wiping out the world wipes out history, everything’s physically the same except no-one has any idea who they are or what the things around them are or what any backstory for the world they’re in is, you’re in a world that’s physically the same except you have no context for anything or anyone around you.

PAPER

That’s the sort of thing I mean just on a smaller scale on a one shot thing but a whole world would be interesting.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah, I – sorry I’m also drinking cause I’m a biological lifeform, which is one of my many flaws – but yeah I always wanted to use, I feel it would get very different from your standard apocalypse very quickly, you can still get like, you’re still stuck, that – that buh – that was a sentence.

PAPER

Yeah, I know amnesia works with autobiographical memory, but this is fantasy.

MOD PENCIL

I was going with something has destroyed history instead of amnesia so if people go that’s not how amnesia works I have to go oh yeah have you had an eldritch horror destroy history I didn’t think so.

PAPER

That we know of.

MOD PENCIL

If an eldritch horror wants to destroy 2020 I’m ok with that.

PAPER

Although having no autobiographical memory could be quite interesting – you’re the hero of the town – am I great what do I do?

MOD PENCIL

You wake up and you’re one of the most powerful beings in the world and you don’t know why or how you got here.

PAPER

That’s a strong start to something.

MOD PENCIL

I feel like – the trouble is when I try to flesh it out into a plot what I come up with is an et sort of you are 4 rascally children and one of the most powerful beings in the world is in your garage having lost all memory of who they are. There’s this incredibly powerful godlike wizard, idk if you know they’re a powerful godlike wizard and they don’t or if they just use magic sometimes – how are you doing that? Idk.

PAPER

I like that cause that could go in incredibly different directions depending on not just who you’re playing with but what mood they’re in. It’s almost a social experiment where you get different people to play this one scenario.

MOD PENCIL

I’m putting it on my dating profile from now on, if you had an amnesiac powerful wizard in your garage what would you do?

PAPER

I like it.

MOD PENCIL

There is a reason fantasty amnesia is different to the actual medical condition, as a plot point it opens up a lot of possibilities.

PAPER

I feel it’s used on tv a lot as it’s an easy way to create confusion but I feel like there are definitely ways to do it I feel like idk what the right word is, but socially interesting, which sounds like a way someone would describe me, but you know I’m not autistic I’m socially interesting.

MOD PENCIL

Levelling up is one of those things that’s inherently very unrealistic. You stabbed ten goblins and now you’re better at sneaking. If we made it that you’re level 20 but can only remember your level 1 things, and also why you’re doing adventure things in general also triggers those memories.

PAPER

That makes sense, you use those skills and there’s muscle memory.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah I feel that could work. You need a workaround as to why you lost all your memories but you could have a lot of interesting things like that. One of the things I like about that. Warlocks and paladins don’t make a pact until they’re level 3, paladins don’t make an oath until 3 idk warlock, which is a little weird if you’re starting at level 1… But I like the idea of going oh yeah that’s the oath I made. I’m a paladin of vengeance and then you stab the warrior in the face.

PAPER

I’m not sure how well it would work with a whole party but as a character concept it’s pretty strong. Especially with something like a paladin, I made this oath, it kinda fried me, let’s do this.

MOD PENCIL

I like the paladin just idk what oath I made, but yeah, I feel like there’s definitely a character concept in this somewhere.

PAPER

Shall we move onto questions?

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Paper

If you have a question you can email probablybadpodcast@gmail.com or send us a message on tumblr at probabybadrpgideas, like derparavener did. I’m making an entire rpg system, as part of that I’m making a default setting to supplement it, but there’s one thing I’m struggling with, how to come up with default names for races, having a few cat people and lizard people called stanley and bob is always fun but whole factions left to be named that way seems ill fitting. I like that it’s the opposite of the improvised rpg we were talking about.

MOD PENCIL

I like the idea of randomly pick some names and extrapolate from that.

PAPER

Yeah there is – one thing I have personally done is pick a culture or language see how their names work and make some up based on how those names sound.

MOD PENCIL

With catfolk I feel if you call them all just tiddles and moggie etc cause cats already have established names.

PAPER

Or you name them mungojerry and rumbleteaser.

MOD PENCIL

Two kinds there are two cultures of cat names.

PAPER

Maybe the jellicle names are more like the nobility.

MOD PENCIL

You need to bring the pet cats in a revolution against the jellicles. And then you have the new generation. Like lolcats. You need to go fight mcavity who has broken every human law and thus is a war criminal.

PAPER

But from his name we can extrapolate mcavity is part of the nobility which is why he’s not been held accountable for his crimes.

MOD PENCIL

Nuclear bombs have been invented and you need to stop mcavity from completing his broken every human law by stealing one and nuking a major city. By doing a revolution against the nobility to strip away his powers.

PAPER

So that’s cat folk, what about lizards.

MOD PENCIL

Another mr lizard. I hope our viewers listen to one very specific sketch or it’ll sound like I lost my mind.

PAPER

It’s 2020 and we’re referencing jam. That’s where we’re at.

MOD PENCIL

Assuming for some reason you don’t want all your lizard folk called mr lizard, what names do pet lizards tend to have?

PAPER

I don’t think I’ve known anyone with one.

MOD PENCIL

Send in your suggestions I guess.

Animal people are easy enough cause animals do tend to have established names.

PAPER

You say that right after we have no idea what lizards are called. The only one I can think of is harry, cause you’re a lizard harry.

MOD PENCIL

All male lizard folk are called harry, and all female lizard folk are called liz, and those are the two lizard names.

PAPER

Have you considered they’re all just terrible puns? This is my wife cobranna… Like cobra and anna…

MOD PENCIL

I got the joke.

PAPER

Yeah but nick did a face like I disappointed them. Pythony?

MOD PENCIL

I feel like most animals have established names or you can make puns.

PAPER

I feel like you probably wanted a better idea than taking down the jellicle elite and pun names but you knew who you were sending it to.

MOD PENCIL

You should’ve sent it to a better podcast. Um yeah, I guess in terms of non animal related fantasy names, I guess with elves you have fairytale names, or dwarves are all called rockboy. It’s the same way they all have beards they’re all called rockboy. Halflings just have human names but quieter. Gnomes are all called wacky bojangles ridiculous things like that.

Question music

PAPER

Our second question –

MOD PENCIL

Or just human names but yelled angrily?

PAPER

Our second question is anonymous.. How to bring characters together when they don’t know each other.

MOD PENCIL

Have you considered amnesia?

PAPER

How does that bring the characters together?

MOD PENCIL

They wake up somewhere together, no knowledge of where they are, and they have to be friends.

PAPER

All I can think of from that is the saw movies.

MOD PENCIL

That’s where my mind was going. Have you considered Saw movie?

PAPER

I’m gonna say it, there’s a reason taverns are a cliche – it’s a place people go and things happen – taverns, markets, fairs, there’s a reason these things are standard.

MOD PENCIL

The two obvious things are they’re all employed on the same job, or they’re all trapped in the same unpleasant situation and need to survive together.

PAPER

I assume you want something less obvious and slightly more probably bad.

MOD PENCIL

The less obvious ones… They’re tied together in a 3 legged race but they don’t know how to untie themselves so just have to go around like that.

PAPER

They’re all at a funeral but none of them knew the person that well so they’re all stood in the corner being very awkward.

MOD PENCIL

They’re all being mind controlled by the gm, they have to follow-

PAPER

They’re all on a sinking cruise ship while the band plays on.

MOD PENCIL

Due to a legal mixup they all got married to each other rather than their actual spouses.

PAPER

They’re all at the scholastic bookfair and if they club all their tokens together they can get one of their fancy books. Considering how many players look as opposed to npcs, they’re just the weirdest looking people in town and end up being pointed at each other.

MOD PENCIL

They all go together in the ugly weirdo sort of room, and once in there they become best friends.

PAPER

They’ve all been arrested for crimes against normality.

MOD PENCIL

Been arrested for face crime and are put in jail. What we’re getting at here is a way of rosating your player character concepts.

PAPER

Little bit.

MOD PENCIL

You all arrive at the centre for stupid concepts by stupid people. This is just getting more and more openly aggressive. Just rugby tackle them until they work together.

PAPER

Your characters are all in remedial maths, trying to figure out how their dice work.

MOD PENCIL

Your characters are all together to play an in universe d&d game.

PAPER

Your characters are all in a saturday morning detention, and although they seem like completely different people, they have more in common than they think.

MOD PENCIL

You say that but I do want – I am in a monster of the week game based around the premise of saturday morning breakfast club, or saturday breakfast club whatever, but they’re monster hunters. Which… There you go, to answer your question make it… What the fuck is it called?

PAPER

Breakfast club.

MOD PENCIL

What the fuck was I thinking of? Nick if I say breakfast club here can you edit it in so I don’t sound stupid?

PAPER

I think you were combining the breakfast club with saturday morning breakfast cereal.

MOD PENCIL

I think I was, yes. In my defence, they both have the word breakfast.

Question music.

MOD PENCIL

Next question! Before I mix up any more basic concepts. This is also anonymous, and my screen doesn’t want me to see it. How to hurt vampires when they hurt you? We can’t all have hellish rebuke.

PAPER

This is someone who is bitter about tieflings isn’t it?

MOD PENCIL

I mean if you have warlock classes you can all have hellish rebuke, but have you considered filling your blood with garlic?

PAPER

Just inject it.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah just inject it directly into your bloodstream. I’m sure there’s a mechanical thing of what spells or feats would make it most ideal, you’re bitten but this is probably bad rpg ideas so clearly-

PAPER

Because it’s november at time of recording, recently listened to till death do us blart and therefore watched paul blart mall cop 2, where a major plot point is one of the bad guys is allergic to oatmeal and gets oatmeal moisturiser on his face which causes some problems and lets the good guys escape. Have you considered just garlic moisturiser?

MOD PENCIL

Garlic humidifier. Like a humidifier but instead of water it’s garlic.

PAPER

I need to know if it’s raw or cooked garlic cause one of those is quite nice and one of them would not.

MOD PENCIL

Just raw garlic.

PAPER

There is also the obvious stuff of like wearing silver.

MOD PENCIL

Go outside. Be in the sunlight.

PAPER

If you cast mage armour just on your neck, do you just break the vampire’s teeth on the now hardened skin/

MOD PENCIL

You need to cast it as it’s biting you so it’s going in with force and then just… Have like… Is contingency spell still a thing?

PAPER

I don’t think so?

MOD PENCIL

Use 3.5 and use a contingency spell so when it bites you it teleports the vampire and you into daylight, and then the vampire will pay for its crimes.

PAPER

I guess it is still a thing it just comes under readied actions, so I guess you ready the spell for when it bites you.

MOD PENCIL

I loved contingency spell. It was ridiculously broken but It was great. Cause everybody on the internet was like here’s my incredibly broken character class, it has 3 contingencies so if you slap them it moves cities. But yes, moving onto spells that exist in 5th edition, cover yourself in angrry badgers, but angry badgers that have taken cleric levels so they can turn undead.

PAPER

I like it.

MOD PENCIL

I wonder what god a badger would worship…

PAPER

What about angry badgers that are part demonic and are tiny tieflings, then they can use hellish rebuke…

MOD PENCIL

Anyone can use hellish rebuke if they’re covered in gasoline and they’re fast enough at lighting matches. I feel a lot of these will end as badly for you as they will for the vampire, but you know, teach it a lesson. Grab the tiefling-

PAPER

You have a character in your party who can bring people back right? Just use some revivify after you’ve been set on fire it’ll be fine.

MOD PENCIL

This is why we have a cleric. Or as I like to call them, adventurer babysitters.

PAPER

Designated adult.

MOD PENCIL

If you don’t have a designated adult, then…

PAPER

If you don’t have a designated adult, one will be provided for you.

MOD PENCIL

I feel like it’s clearly a tiefling you’re annoyed at for using hellish rebuke when vampires attack, then looking at you really smugly like hah I bet you can’t do that, so what you need to do is grab that tiefling and put them in the path of the vampire.

PAPER

We’re saying in every party as well as a cleric you need a tiefling that you can throw at bad guys?

MOD PENCIL

You need a tiefling on a stick. Just wave them around.

PAPER

Do you need a large character to actually carry the stick or do you team up like that one photo with the flag?

MOD PENCIL

The plan is cause you don’t know which of you is going to be attacked by the vampire so you all team up.

PAPER

That makes sense, we can’t all have hellish rebuke but just one of us needs hellish rebuke.

MOD PENCIL

I hope that was a sufficiently inspirational answer for you.

PAPER

On that concerningly regular throw your party under the bus note, if you want to support the podcast we have patreon.com/probablybadrpgideas where you can get access to homebrew and bonus episodes and a discord server we’re also on redbubble as probably bad if you want some merch, we have the podcast logo but it’s 80s and the face of d&daniel. We’re also on reddit facebook, twitter, tumblr, we’re everywhere. We’re colonising the internet. And

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Remember to have a probably bad day.

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Probably Bad Episode 25: Modron Memes, Dungbeetle Heaven, and Hairy Jesters

D&daniel

This podcast is supported by listeners on patreon. Thanks to mario, hedwig and carlo for their support. It fills my heart with love and dice. Wait, that’s not right, it should be blood. Someone send help.

Opening music.

Mod pencil

Welcome to the probably bad podcast, a podcast which is definitely bad. I’m pencil.

Paper

I’m paper. Today’s probably bad rpg idea is…

Dice roll.

PAPER

A warlock who seems to have a terribly dark secret that torments him every day but his secret is he’s a halfling who made a pact with a demon just to be tall. That was submitted by discount nerd on tumblr. The idea of someone with big scary secrets that are just stuff like that is just inherently hilarious to me and that’s why I chose it.

MOD PENCIL

I like the idea of this as something a big mystery arc. You are tracking down this character, you want to find their dark secret, and in the end it turns out they’re just short. I think the more build up you have to the dark secret the better it is.

PAPER

You’ve got to really lean into it as this giant possibly terrifying thing.

MOD PENCIL

My mind just jumped to this standard town, the townspeople are spooky, you’re looking around and thinking is it a cult are they possessed by demons and so forth and so forth, and it turns out that they’re just weird. Weird jim lives here.

PAPER

Weird jim.

MOD PENCIL

Just weird jim, he wears a silly hat. They don’t want you to see his silly hat, and that’s why there’s the mystery, the hiding and so forth.

PAPER

It’s just the lengths the town is going to to hide jim’s hat from you.

MOD PENCIL

Yes cause it’s really ugly.

PAPER

See I was just thinking about cause there’s the module rhyme of the frost maiden where your characters can have these big secrets they have to keep from everyone, and I like the idea of doing that but with shit like pretends to be a tabaxi but is actually just a furry.

MOD PENCIL

My mind just jumped to a setting where the reveal is there are no tabaxi it’s all furries in deep cover.

PAPER

I have definitely seen people pitching stuff like there’s no such thing as a human it’s just aliens trying to be human. Which I genuinely love as a concept.

MOD PENCIL

I feel that would also work but like everyone’s secret is they’re not actual human, and they’re the same alien species and just don’t know it.

PAPER

I like that cause unlike the halfling thing, it would feel to the player like some genuinely big secret and at some point it’s revealed and to people outside of the party it probably would be a big deal, but to the party themselves it’s probably a bit of a disappointment.

MOD PENCIL

What you need to do is have one character have a chance to do a big reveal, ha-hah I was a martian all along, and then all the other players go around like dominoes doing the same dramatic reveal.

PAPER

It’s me, anastasia. I feel a great way to do that as well, if they know each other, guys I’ve got a secret, I’m not actually kyle. I’m from venus! Oh shit, terry?

MOD PENCIL

Everyone knows each others’ alien selves and human selves, but they haven’t put two and two together.

PAPER

Just making the reveal as underwhelming as possible, you know?

MOD PENCIL

You just dramatically go yes, I’m an alien from the planet venus and I’m here to conquer your world, the other player stands up and says hey you owe me 20 venus dollars as their disguise comes off.

PAPER

Venus dollars.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah I was going to say normal dollars but I remembered they wouldn’t have those on venus, I don’t want this to get unrealistic.

PAPER

If you were on venus would you call them venus dollars or just dollars, what is the most realistic way of putting it?

MOD PENCIL

I mean you know, we call regular earth pounds.

PAPER

Yeah but we’re talking about dollars.

MOD PENCIL

True. I personally live my life like a character in a bad 50s prediction of the future. Welcome to my earth house, I’m going to put on my earth clothes and eat some earth dinner.

PAPER

I do also love the implication that this character got the warlock powers just as a bonus. Like the warlock – the patron was just like ok you’ve sold your soul to me, I feel like I’ve got an unfair one sided deal, I’m going to give you powers as well.

MOD PENCIL

I may be a literal demon but I feel this may be too much of a scam? At least take an eldritch blast or something.

PAPER

It doesn’t have to be a demon, it just has to be a fairy, with their sense of fair trade and things. No I’m giving you something else, no I just want to be tall, no I’m giving you magic powers whether you like it or not.

MOD PENCIL

It’s like- you have the sort of trope of an unwitting patron bargain in lots of campaigns but this seems like the next step of the patron following you around going look you’re now entitled to the ability to turn into a swarm of flies, just take it.

PAPER

You don’t have to use it, just take it. I feel like that voice was the patron is your mum trying to get you to put on a jumper. You won’t have to wear the mage armour just take it with you in case it gets stabby.

MOD PENCIL

Your patron is your mum is a concept in its own right.

PAPER

It’s just hercules.

MOD PENCIL

But yeah, I feel like I like to imagine not in the sense you’re born half demon or something, it’s you’re born normal and your mum becomes an all powerful deity.

PAPER

That would be awkward wouldn’t it?

MOD PENCIL

I was looking for a patron and my mum will do now?

PAPER

A voice from the skies – don’t forget to clean your room.

MOD PENCIL

To be fair, in D&D campaigns where there’s the premise that humans can like transcend to become divine beings there is definitely some kind of campaign there like your best mate is now supreme ruler of fire and it’s just everyone trying to continue to host parties when 4 of them work as accountants and one of them is an elemental deity who can shatter stars.

PAPER

I feel like the deity has the most free time at least.

Consider – your patron is your wife.

MOD PENCIL

There’s a lot of questions there.

PAPER

You gain an advantage to smite people if they make jokes about how much they hate their wives.

MOD PENCIL

You gain advantage to smite people because you’re already smitten.

PAPER

Eyyyy.

MOD PENCIL

I swear my mind went to a semi beauty and the beast thing where this entity has their true power locked away until someone loves them and that releases their power and it’s just- you know, happy to keep going on with the relationship.

PAPER

I was thinking more along the lines of like a – you fall in love with an arch fey not knowing what they are, you get married and they’re just like ok I feel like this relationship is one sided me being an arch fey they’ll give you powers.

MOD PENCIL

As like just – you know how in our world with a wedding gift someone will give you a toaster or a coffee machine, in this one it’s just yeah if you don’t know what to get them just give them unimaginable cosmic powers that always goes down well.

PAPER

You realise you don’t give each other wedding gifts, right?

MOD PENCIL

I do as I started saying it, I just got onto the idea of like your patron is someone you don’t hugely know but felt obligated to be invited to your wedding and they made a pact with you as a wedding gift.

PAPER

Your patron isn’t your mum your patron is your mother in law.

MOD PENCIL

Your patron is a distant cousin who doesn’t really know you that well. I weirdly like this setting where patrons are just people who are going around. You end up awkwardly sitting next to your patron on the bus and making small talk.

PAPER

Isn’t a warlock patron a kind of boss?

MOD PENCIL

Yeah, I guess… Just all warlock campaigns set in an office. Your patron is a middle manager.

PAPER

Don’t you hate when you finally get a moment to yourself and your patron comes in and asks about the johnson account?

MOD PENCIL

Yeah. I really like this setting of patrons just small town, small office, your patron’s just there. They keep tagging you in weird memes on facebook and you don’t want to not respond cause they do give you cosmic powers.

PAPER

Sorry I was just trying to work out what the D&D version of minions is. It’s probably those weird robots, which I cannot for the life of me remember what they’re called.

MOD PENCIL

Modron?

PAPER

Yes! Modron memes.

MOD PENCIL

The dark secret you have is your patron won’t stop sending you modron memes.

PAPER

Listeners, please send me modron memes. I need this. So we’ve only got one question this week, so I think we’re going to do that question and a second idea.

Question music.

MOD PENCIL

This question is from histrix. How many objects should be mimics in a typical dungeon?

PAPER

How many objects can you fit in a dungeon?

MOD PENCIL

All the toilets.

PAPER

All the toilets. The sinks are fine.

MOD PENCIL

All the toilets and only the toilets. I think the obvious-

PAPER

I’ve never come across a toilet in a dungeon crawl, which is weird considering how many are abandoned wizard homes and stuff.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah before about ten years ago wizards didn’t need to shit.

PAPER

I thought you were going to go the harry potter route where they just disappear it, just shit in a bag of holding.

MOD PENCIL

It’s all the same bag of holding.

PAPER

The same pocket dimension.

MOD PENCIL

A pretty shitty place.

PAPER

Home to one dung beetle having the time of its life.

MOD PENCIL

It’s dung beetle heaven. Anyway, back to mimics rather than dung beetle heaven, I think the obvious answer would be all of them. All but one door. And it’s said ahead of time it’s all but one door.

PAPER

None of the objects but all the party members. It’s basically a game of granny’s footsteps, where you have to get through the dungeon without being caught by any of the monsters. Do you call It granny’s footsteps cause there’s a million names for these games.

MOD PENCIL

What’s the game?

PAPER

The one where someone faces the wall and you need to sneak up on them and turn around.

MOD PENCIL

What’s the time mr wolf is the version I’ve played. Yeah does sound slightly more ominous being chased by monsters.

PAPER

Depends on what your grandma’s like I guess.

MOD PENCIL

So your dungeon’s this corridor and there’s a wolf on one end your grandma on the other and they’re both mimics.

PAPER

Inside you there are two wolves one of them is your grandma.

MOD PENCIL

But yeah, the player’s skin should be mimics.

PAPER

The player’s skin? They’re meat people with mimics over the top.

MOD PENCIL

Aren’t we all just meat people with mimics over the top?

PAPER

I prefer to think of myself as a ghost trapped within a meat suit but go on…

MOD PENCIL

Each of the players has their skin replaced by a mimic, and it’s how long can they go without figuring this out.

PAPER

How long can the person go or how long can the mimic go?

MOD PENCIL

Both.

PAPER

I think we’re getting in some real body horror stuff.

MOD PENCIL

I don’t think it’s answering the question, but yes… Every toilet, all but one door, exactly ten coins in the treasure, and your grandma.

PAPER

Am I right in thinking that in some edition or other dungeon mimics were a thing?

MOD PENCIL

First edition had dungeon mimics, it had mimics that replaced the floor, mimics that replaced the wall, mimics that replaced the ceiling, so you could walk in a room and all the walls, floor and ceiling would immediately attack you.

Paper

That’s a probably bad idea right there.

Mod pencil

Yeah there were bed mimics, there were clothes mimics, first edition went really far on every random object in a room might kill you.

Paper

I like the idea of a clothes mimic though, cause it can’t really do much without being noticed like if you open a jacket and it looks like a mouth inside, you’ve got to be really avant garde to still put on that jacket. This is just punishing the weird fashion people.

MOD PENCIL

This is jim’s hat.

PAPER

Jim’s hat is a mimic?

MOD PENCIL

Yeah, that’s… Like I feel creepy town with a mimic as the dark secret works, but it’s too close to a good idea, so I guess we’re going to have to make it someone’s hat.

PAPER

What if the mayor is a mimic, or a mayor-mic?

MOD PENCIL

I… Ah…. I lost the ability to talk in response to that pun, just so you know.

PAPER

I’ve still got it. It’s the 8th november and we’re all feeling some kind of way.

MOD PENCIL

It certainly is an emotion, I think it’s a mimic.

PAPER

That’s the secret there’s no such thing as emotions it’s all just tiny mimics in your bloodstream.

MOD PENCIL

There we go so the things in dungeons that should be mimics are jim’s hat, every toilet, all but one door, peoples’ skin, the party and the party’s capacity to feel joy. I hope that answers your question.

PAPER

And a wolf and a grandma.

MOD PENCIL

Yes, and a partridge in a pear tree.   

PAPER

Not the tree though, it’s a normal tree.

Question music

PAPER

Ok so our second idea is remember, bigfoot is like salt for your campaign. No matter what your campaign is, you can’t go wrong with bigfoot coming into the scene.

MOD PENCIL

This was an idea I posted and I completely stand by it, you know. You’re having a tense political discussion game of thrones style, bigfoot walks in. You’re in a dungeon in a sealed room with no escape, bigfoot walks in. You’re hunting bigfoot, bigfoot walks in.

PAPER

I love the idea of bigfoot joining a monster hunting party. Cause there’s that story of the woman who joined her own search party. Just imagining that except the search party have guns.

MOD PENCIL

The rpg group is just a search party with guns. I like the idea of bigfoot turning up with a fake moustache, hello I’m steve.

PAPER

What if he shaves where the fake moustache would be?

MOD PENCIL

Then puts a fake moustache on there? I can’t be bigfoot, I have a fake moustache. So the defining quality of a bigfoot is its big feet.

Meaning if it was trying to hide, it would need clown shoes.

PAPER

I don’t like where this is going.

MOD PENCIL

Which means as long as the search party consists entirely of clowns, it can shave, paint itself white, put on a red nose, put on big clown shoes and just pass itself off as a normal harmless clown.

PAPER

I feel like there are easier ways for bigfoot to disguise itself because if it just gets like a grey belt and puts it on a sash that’s a star wars cosplay. No I’m not bigfoot I’m just a nerd.

MOD PENCIL

Here’s the plot for the campaign. You have two groups. One group of clowns and one group of star wars nerds, and both of them – one of them has been infilatrated by bigfoot, and you have to work out who it is.

PAPER

Is this a honey heist mechanic where you have 3 points in star wars and 3 points in clown?

MOD PENCIL

Yeah.

PAPER

And you have to get not too nerdy or clownish in your search for bigfoot.

MOD PENCIL

Tbh I feel like my life is a balance betweeen being too nerdy and clowny.

PAPER

That is basically what this podcast is I suppose.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah feel free to send suggestions of where we are on the clown nerd scale. So the obvious thing about bigfoot is you’re trying to find it. That is, the whole thing. So, I think what we should do is at random points through your campaign, regardless of how high stakes the campaign is, the players have to go find bigfoot. Oh no your children have been kidnapped by demons, but first you need to find bigfoot.

PAPER

What if you bring bigfoot in in the starting tavern or wherever, and it’s like oh there’s bigfoot and we can get on with our lives.

MOD PENCIL

Bigfoot but he’s hanging around.

PAPER

Bigfoot is the proprietor of the local petshop.

MOD PENCIL

I still think bigfoot should be a clown and I realise that’s an opinion that needs like validating cause as it is It just sounds like a terrible idea-

PAPER

Please expand on this. You’re walking in the woods and you just hear honk-honk-honk then suddenly you’ve been sprayed with seltzer.

MOD PENCIL

That would inspire horror in quite a lot of players. You’re walking through the woods chased by an invisible clown.

PAPER

Actual clown bigfoot.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah. But my idea was an among us style, you’re all In the circus and bigfoot has infilrated. Or the circus is on a bigfoot hunt and bigfoot has infiltrated.

PAPER

Why is the circus on a bigfoot hunt?

MOD PENCIL

Ok, so the circus is low on money and the only way they can think of to raise enough funds to keep the circus going is to find bigfoot. And obviously bigfoot doesn’t want to be found so infiltrated and passed off as a clown.

PAPER

So bigfoot’s goal is to throw them off the scent.

MOD PENCIL

And their goal is to figure out which one is bigfoot, possibly by stepping on each others’ clown shoes cause you know if it’s a clown they’ve got normal sized feet in there, but bigfoot’s got big feet. I think that’s a plot point on the simpsons but I’m using it now.

PAPER

Yeah. His feet are so big cause they’re filled with evil, except obviously bigfoot’s feet are filled with friendship.

MOD PENCIL

The point is you need to find bigfoot. It does sound like bigfoot is killing the clowns but I guess could just be leading them to the wrong part of the forest, away from the bigfoot village. There’s a bigfoot village of bigfeet, and the clown’s goal is to find the village and the bigfoot’s goal is to lure them away from the village.

PAPER

Again though this just sounds like a one page rpg I would play.

MOD PENCIL

It sounds like a one page rpg I would make.

PAPER

I do like the idea though of bringing bigfoot into a very diplomacy heavy game. We were going to go to war with you, but bigfoot just stole the queen. Now we’ve got to deal with that.

MOD PENCIL

Firstly bigfoot just stole the queen is my favourite plot hook you can use it in your campaign regardless of what your campaign is, and also you have this game of thrones style world, do you want we’re all sitting here discussing plans but bigfoot has come in and is beating people up and such have you, or we’re discussing things, but bigfoot’s come in, got the favour of the queen and now owns your lands?

PAPER

See I was imagining it like in the sound of music when one of the guys runs onto the stage and is like they escaped. I’m imagining some of them run out and are like bigfoot’s here!

MOD PENCIL

We don’t have the budget to show you bigfoot, but-

PAPER

Trust me when I say he bungled up the queen and rappeled down one of the towers and rode away on some sort of magnificent beast into the woods.

MOD PENCIL

What you need to do is have your campaign, your political campaign, and make it increasingly obvious there’s a second more exciting campaign involving bigfoot riding a magnificent beast and stealing world leaders, happening just after the players leave.

PAPER

He’s taking all the world leaders to the bigfoot village so they’ll be forced to sit and talk to each other without the pomp and circumstance getting in the way.

MOD PENCIL

Bigfoot is going to bring about world peace.

PAPER

And he’s going to do it while dressed as a clown. So he can infiltrate the castles in the first place.

MOD PENCIL

The jester is just doing the standard jestery things and then boom, they take off their shoes, reveal they’re bigfoot, grab the queen, jump astride a manticore, fly away into the forest.

PAPER

This is why you can’t trust hairy jesters. Well known expression.

MOD PENCIL

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PAPER

Yeah, speaking of t-shirts we have new merch on our redbubble store, redbubble/people/probablybad, including the logo but 80s and the reveal of D&Daniel’s true form.

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MOD PENCIL

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Bread and Thread: Bull Cook

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Liz

Hello and welcome to bread and thread, a podcast about food and domestic history. I’m liz.

Hazel

And I’m hazel, we’re two friends who studied archaeology together and love history and DIYing everything we can, what are you up to?

LIZ

Well you know one of the things we have in common is making things difficult for ourselves on purpose?

HAZEL

Yep.

LIZ

And you know how you sent me some very pretty threads for my birthday?

HAZEL

Oh the rainbow ones yeah.

LIZ

I have assigned each digit from 0-9 a colour and am now crossstiching the first 10,000 digits of pi in a big square.

HAZEL

That’s amazing. How big is the square?

LIZ

It’s 100×100 I’m 12 squares in, this is my lockdown 2 project.

HAZEL

Oh so that’s going to be like a filled in square.

Oh my gosh that’s amazing I need to see this.

LIZ

I am sporadically putting updates of it on my instagram.

HAZEL

I love rainbow pi.

LIZ

What are you up to something slightly less ridiculous?

HAZEL

I’m hand sewing an entire shirt so you can be the judge of that.

LIZ

More practical. I’ve seen the pictures it’s a very good shirt.

HAZEL

It’s a flouncy romantical 18th century pirate type shirt I am very excited. I picked that to start with it’s squares and rectangles so you don’t have to worry about trying to make a pattern and I’m just using a tutorial on youtube to put it together but I really like hand sewing. I don’t mind machine sewing but there’s something about hand sewing that’s just like really… Idk you feel that you’re doing the thing that your ancestors did and it’s… You know, all the repetitive actions, it’s calming. I[‘ve been enjoying that.

LIZ

It’s fun trying to do things yourself.

HAZEL

Exactly how much can I do all by myself, it’s very satisfying. So yeah that’s going pretty well I’ve got almost two sleeves just need to put cuffs on the sleeves just need to attach sleeves on the body I’m doing my first gathers, it’s very exciting.

LIZ

I saw it on instagram, the end of the sleeve.

HAZEL

Yeah I also put that one on the twitter as well it’s highly satisfying if you like things being neat.

LIZ

It really buckles my swash.

HAZEL

Why thank you very much. So, this is one of our episodes on food history personalities. Today this is going to be a journey for everyone involved.

LIZ

Yeah given what you’ve told me so far, sticking to our no swearing rule is going to be difficult.

HAZEL

This episode might be a bit pg. Nothing terrible is going to come out, but there’s no other way to deal with this jman and this cookbookl.

LIZ

What is the name of this man and this cookbook?

HAZEL

So this is george leonard herter and his magnum opus the bull cook authentic historical recipes and practices published in 1960. George herter was the owner of a hunting and fishing supply mail order business in minnesota. This was during the 50s and 60s and his business had catalogues that would be sent out and you’d order what you want – these catalogues were really popular they turned the publisher into one of the biggest publishing houses in the state apparently. George herter wrote all the copy for his catalogues. So he started off writing the copy for his catalogues and they were completely – imagine a market stall cryer but on speed or something like they’re really exaggerated, nothing in this catalogue is ordinary. It’s all the famous or the world’s best whatever, you would be teh worst kind of person not to buy this. They’re quite entertainining.

LIZ

You have any examples?

HAZEL

I don’t think I wrote any down specifically but they’re definitely the famous thing product whatever it is, and he iknd of spilled over into writing books cause he had this flair for writing and telling a story and making things sound attention grabbing. One of the best known books is the bull cook and a bull cook is apparently a person in a camp logging camp or whatever is the cook’s assistant and does chores and stuff like a handyman.

LIZ

So he basically called his cookbook the dogsbody which is a bold move but I feel one that would only go down well in the 60s.

HAZEL

It was also aimed at his target audience people who were into hunting and fishing, outdoorsman, rugged individual handyman survivalist thing.

LIZ

He could have gone a lot more toxic masculinity with it, but instead of that he went in a 3rd wilder direction.

HAZEL

What’s interesting is it’s a cookbook aimed at men; part of it is what you can do with the game you hunt and fish and stuff but part of it I mean most of it as you will see isn’t really about that, before we dive into that I just want to tell you the title of his other books, there’s a catalogue that listed all the books. George herter often published in conjunction with his wife bertha who was french I think.

LIZ

Bertha herter.

HAZEL

Bertha herter… I didn’t realise that. So also was the author of such books as herter’s professional course in the science of modern taxidermy, and how to get out of the rat race and live on $10 a month. Which is apparently by moving to alaska and fishing by electricity.

LIZ

By electricity? Like in the simpsons where they just put the bug zapper in the lake?

HAZEL

I think it’s something like that actually I’ve not read this book but it’s that kind of zone. Oh and not forgetting his marriage guide titled how to live with a bitch, of which the second edition informs you that you should never under any circumstances call your wife a bitch.

LIZ

I like it’s the second edition, words were had.

HAZEL

Bertha had some words with george. This is to give you an idea, this guy clearly was just I know some stuff about this, clearly I’m an authority enough to write a book or even I have some opinions on this, and was able to self publish them easily and sell them through his own catalogue. Why not you’ve got your own marketing there, it makes sense.

LIZ

Yeah early vanity publishing isn’t it?

HAZEL

Yeah and I guess it’s a fine tradition one of the ways people got books published in the past if you were an aristocrat or a fashionable person you could just raise a subscription amongst your friends to get you published. So herters inc, outdoor fishing and supplies company, I think it was bought out by another company but some of their products have the herter name. But the herter company went under in 1981, more on that later. So I’m gonna now read you the introduction to the book and it is interesting… So, let me just check if I put that in my document… I did, ok. Bull cook on historical recipes and practices and this is the entire introduction in the lumber camp days and pioneer days the cooks learned from each other and the old world cooks each taught their own countries secrets, out of the mixing came fine food prepared as in nowhere else in the world I am putting down some of these recipes you will not find in cookbooks. Each recipe here is a real secret. I am also publishing here for the first time authentic historical recipes of great importance. For your convenience I will start with meat, fish, eggs, soup and sauces, sandwiches, vegetables, the art of french frying, desserts, how to dress game, how to properly sharpen a knife, how to make wines and beer, how to make french soap, what to do in case of hydrogen or cobalt bomb attack, keeping as much in alphabetical order as possible.

LIZ

One of these things is not like the other. I think what you do in case of a hydrogen bomb attack is die? It’s a short chapter.

HAZEL

A lot of this seems to be this is very 60s america.

LIZ

This is the point where the uk government was saying if you hear an alarm saying there’s a nuclear strike coming, hide in a cupboard and you’ll be fine.

HAZEL

My nan was part of the volunteer ambulance drivers. She volunteered to drive ambulances in case of nuclear attack, the threat was real at the time, it could happen at any time.

LIZ

I’m less the threat was real, we knew the threat was real, but I’m more the governments knew that this would do nothing. Makes you feel better.

HAZEL

Makes you feel like the government is doing something about it. Not much you can do. His advice just in case you wanted to know what the advice is in case of a hydrogen bomb attack in this cookbook – if we have a bomb attack it will be a heavy one with every major city and most of the country wiped out in less than a half hour. Instead of reading the rot put out there about survival put out by people who have no first hand knowledge of what they’re talking about – and george herter does?? – apparently?

LIZ

Very few people did at that point and most of them are dead.

HAZEL

His justification for this is he’s experienced bombing and talked to a lot of people who got bombed during the second world war. Which I’m sure he did but it’s not the same thing as a nuclear bomb.

LIZ

He’s thinking about carpet bombing.

HAZEL

He talks about radiation his advice for what you should do is get in any kind of cave ditch or valley, as far away from buildings as you can and lie face down. If you didn’t get that, he says if at all possible get in a cave.

LIZ

Oh a ditch yes if you lie in a ditch you’ll be safe from the radiation.

HAZEL

It’s ok cause according to this book if you eat a lot of red peppers you’re immune to radiation.

LIZ

Ok that’s where we’re going wrong.

HAZEL

Ok I was just checking what I wrote in case I misremembered but the quote is people who use considerable red pepper in their foods are almost immune to atomic radiation.

LIZ

Wait… This sentence is unclear instructions unclear do we eat red peppers or the seasoning red pepper?

HAZEL

Red bell peppers yeah.

LIZ

See that’s good cause I eat a lot of those, I don’t eat a lot of red pepper.

HAZEL

I looked this up because I was like that’s such a wild claim there must be some kind of truth to it and the only thing I found apart from a website which included it in a diet that’s supposed to reverse the dangers of electromagnetic fields, which there’s no evidence that they’re dangerous in the first place, so… That’s a whole other thing, I looked it up and it’s no. The only thing I found that I guess you could relate to that, is they contain more vitamin c than oranges and lemons, they’re really good for your immune system, recommended for people who are undergoing treatment for that same reason, but they’re not the vitamin c isn’t going to make you immune to radiation.

LIZ

In his defence, radiation poisoning and scurvy have some similar symptoms. That’s as much as I’m giving him.

HAZEL

Wow, maybe it’s not totally his fault. That’s cool I didn’t know that. It’s not cool, but… Yeah, so you’ll be getting a feel for this book is a combination of cookbook, advice guide, survival guide, it also contains these absolutely bizarre historical anecdotes.

LIZ

How historical are we talking?

HAZEL

Historical air quotes. He introduces a lot of the recipes in the book with a little historical note, like this person who invented the recipe or this is how it became a popular and as you might imagine it’s not fantastic. It contains the assertion that johannes kepler an 18th century german astronomer, has largely been forgotten as an astronomer but will be remembered as creator of liverwurst.

LIZ

I think that there are certain astronomers who would disagree, like maybe the ones that named the planet after kepler? Or nasa who had a kepler telescope they might disagree there? Or maybe they just love german sausage.

HAZEL

Idk if this book was made to be entertaining solely or whether he actually – he obviously made this stuff up but idk to what degree he expected people to believe it.

LIZ

It’s 2020 I’m willing to believe anything of anyone at this point.

HAZEL

I’m saving this recipe for last, but let’s have a look at some of the other choice things that are mentioned on here. So first of all corned beef so I’m not sure if I’ve ever had corned beef but corned beef is called that because the process of salting it with large grains of salt that look like corn which is where the name comes from. Herter says corned beef originated in london in 1875 and was invented by a chemist called john wilson. The true secret of producing corned meat is known only to a few people but they guard their secret very carefully. While many food magazines produced recipes for corning meat, these recipes are not even close to the real one. This is the first time the real authentic recipe for corning meat has ever been published.

LIZ

No.

HAZEL

So let’s ignore the fact that during this period ireland was one of the biggest exporters of corned meat, the earliest reference I can find to corned beef was in the 17th century and the technique was thought to be older, I’m not sure what this specific date comes from, but I kind of like the confidence in this paragraph, the sheer confidence that this recipe has never been published before, I am the only one who knows the truth.

LIZ

It does slightly have the vibe of a tumblr post that starts listen up and I appreciate that.

HAZEL

If there’s one word you can use to describe this cookbook it’s ballsy, or perhaps bullsy. It’s great he’s very derogatory about imported beef from south america, presumably he’s trying to encourage people to hunt and process their own meat using stuff from his catalogue but –

LIZ

But not beef, you don’t hunt beef.

HAZEL

He says you can corn venison antelope, moose, bear or beef with this method, I don’t think he’s out there corning bear.

LIZ

Someone a lot braver than me.

HAZEL

How do you corn a bear? Very carefully. This book also contains a recipe for snapping turtles scandinavian style, as far as I’m aware snapping turtles are only foujnd in north america.

LIZ

They’re very much a new world creature but sure.

HAZEL

So yeah, maybe that’s just like the scandinavian method of doing stuff, I don’t even know. I also don’t know-

LIZ

It might be a scandinavian way of doing turtles in general. Though idk if scandinavia even has turtles I’m going to find out.

HAZEL

This is history in real time. I’m not sure if turtle would be tasty-

LIZ

Ok no there are sea turtles. So maybe it’s a way of doing sea turtles I’m going to give him the benefit of the doubt cause I love him so much.

HAZEL

Viking turtles. Yeah, we’re also going to talk about the martini.

LIZ

Oh, I have heard of this.

HAZEL

Martini was a very popular cocktail in america at this time and remains today one of the classic cocktails. Have you you’re interested in drinks history even if you don’t drink. Do you know what’s in a martini?

LIZ

Gin and vermouth?

HAZEL

Yeah I think that’s the traditional martini it’s gin and vermouth you can have more or less gin to vermouth in it, you can have an olive in it, you can have a splash of olive water in it which is a dirty martini. According to george herter the martini is strictly german and was invented by jp schwartzendorf, a german music composer who was born in 1741 and he died In 1816, his nickname was martini.

LIZ

A german’s nickname was martini you say.

HAZEL

Yeah he apparently invented this drink and his friends promptly named it after his nickname. He’s very derogatory about the quality of martinis served in america today. Apparently this martini is far superior to the slop called and served as martinis in american bars today. Here it is, a correct and original recipe, and he then goes on to insist that a true martini does not contain vermouth because vermouth is nothing but a cheap spice flavoured white wine that was originally created to sell wine too poor to sell on its own. The idea of using vermouth in martinis was the sole idea of unscrupulous importers of vermouth who were trying to make a sale and would do anything to make money.

LIZ

So I’m glad it’s the martini specifically cause I do know the history of the martini. It’s most likely named after a brand of vermouth named martini. So I would argue it’s the most important ingredient.

HAZEL

Yeah from what I can gather, vermouth has always been involved. I also came across the idea that it had been invented in the gold rush or something but either way it’s definitely an america drink.

LIZ

Definitely american definitely has vermouth those are the two things about martinis.

HAZEL

Yeah Idk what this man has against vermouth, he also says american martinis are just for alcoholics who want a quick jolt regardless of taste. Gosh.

LIZ

I feel like he was probably one of those people who goes oh pour me a glass of gin and show it a bottle of vermouth.

HAZEL

I just read the next paragraph I haven’t read before, schwartzendorf invented another drink, which was named the martini verboten.

LIZ

The forbidden martini?

HAZEL

That’s the name of my next D&D character. That would be a great stage name.

LIZ

Elaborate, what is in the forbidden martini?

HAZEL

So it’s just… The forbidden martini, uh, the forbidden martini, he gives the formula this is brilliant. Two ounces of geneva, or gin, geneva is a historic european spirit that’s a precursor to gin, one ounce of apple cider vinegar and that’s it.

LIZ

Just gin and vinegar. I was going to say I’ll make the forbidden martini a cocktail next time I have a party but I think I’m going to not do that.

HAZEL

Please don’t. This drink tends to calm down a heavy drinker, to get away from the overdry mouth of a heavy drinker and it prevents liver damage to the alcoholic.

LIZ

This is mostly gin and he’s saying it won’t be too dry. Is it just vinegar that makes it not dry? I’ve never downed vinegar.

HAZEL

I don’t know, the martini found its way to america by isolated music lovers apparently we can verify these facts in a french dictionary. Which I’m definitely going to do on twitter.

LIZ

Does he specify which french dictionary?

HAZEL

I’m going to get to the bottom of this. It’s called the nouveau petit larousse.

LIZ

Oh, nick knows about larousse It’s a big important food book. Larousse gastronomique is a big important food book.

HAZEL

I’m going to get to the bottom of this mystery for all of you. Watch the twitter. So there you go the martini was german the whole time.

LIZ

I should’ve guessed from that italian sounding name.

HAZEL

Of course.

LIZ

Threw me off the scent.

HAZEL

So yeah he also includes these apparently historical recipes and they usually tie to a person apparently he has franz liszt’s fruit cocktail recipe which includes the instruction go buy a can of fruit cocktail, which I’m sure was available to frans liszt.

LIZ

When was liszt?

HAZEL

I’m pretty sure liszt was 18th century, wasn’t he?

LIZ

Uh 19th so maybe?

HAZEL

My classical knowledge is not great.

LIZ

I don’t think canned food was much of a thing then, but maybe.

HAZEL

I don’t know how verifiable this is. I like that you’re taking the part of the champion of george herter.

LIZ

Someone has to.

HAZEL

Yeah, um, he also includes apparently hitler’s recipe for omelettes, gengis khan’s favourite duck recipe and he introduces a recipe called toulouse lautrec chicken using toulouse lautrec’s two friends painting which is interesting cause that’s about two people who are definitely having sex.

LIZ

Maybe afterwards they got hungry.

HAZEL

Maybe.

LIZ

The idea that if in the 60s you have one of hitler’s recipes, that’s suspicious.

HAZEL

I think his claim here is that he travelled around and I think he did travel europe and collect recipes, there’s a second volume of this by the way and the second volume is about the restaurants and nightclubs of the world, the second volume has not been reprinted, this book the first volume has, you can go out and get a copy of this and I would recommend it cause it’s hilarious. Apparently according to general opinion does contain some good tasty recipes. Presumably that were contributed by bertha, including the greatest recipe in this book, and this is one of the historical ones which is wilder and wilder, until you get to this one which is spinach mother of christ, which I’m going to read you word for word: the virgin mary mother of christ was very fond of spinach. This is a well known fact in nazareth today as it was 19 centuries ago. Her favourite music was that of the crude bagpipes of the time, and this too is well known. Her recipe for preparing spinach spread with christianity throughout europe; on the eve of christ’s birth in a cave that was called a stable her only meal was spinach.

LIZ

Ok so you know how I’m playing devil’s advocate here? There are some versions of the nativity that feature jesus being born in a cave, spinach was likely domesticated in the middle east and romans did have bagpipes. I’m just putting these three facts out there.

HAZEL

Really? Cause I’m looking this up and found a quote that they didn’t have spinach in the middle east at the time but idk.

LIZ

What I found is it was domesticated in probably persia.

HAZEL

Ok.

LIZ

So maybe?

HAZEL

Ok I’ll give that a hard maybe.

LIZ

Oh yeah I’m in no way saying it’s a true fact I’m just putting some information out there.

HAZEL

I like it it gives a little true crime – not what I’m going for – unsolved mysteries edge. I like that. So yeah this is apparently the virgin mary’s own recipe for spinach.

LIZ

Ok. You’re saying this is the spinach that jesus ate.

HAZEL

I guess.

LIZ

Does it sound good what do you do with the spinach?

HAZEL

Ok um… So it’s really simple it’s just fresh spinach fried with garlic and butter. That’s it.

LIZ

It does sound tasty.

HAZEL

It does sound nice.

LIZ

It’s just wilted spinach with garlic.

HAZEL

It’s not that mindblowing.

LIZ

It was simpler back then you just put garlic on stuff and that was your flavour for the week.

HAZEL

Back in my day we only had one clove of garlic.

LIZ

Tbf, middle eastern food kicked butt it was europe that didn’t know how to do food.

HAZEL

Oh gosh, yeah. It sounds tasty. I’d do it, but I’m not convinced that this recipe was created by the virgin mary herself and has been preserved by followers through the ages.

LIZ

That seems unlikely. But I want it to be true.

HAZEL

I just want to get across the sheer audacity that this man possesses. Yeah. Cause he’s he seems all intents and purposes this guy seems pretty christina. This ends with a random rant about birth control. Has killed more than the atomic bomb, according to george herter.

LIZ

I’d like to know how bertha felt about this.

HAZEL

Yeah. For sure. He has no problem with spinach mother of christ. Um. Yeah. Anyway, I will leave that as another unsolved mysteries esque, and just going to present that recipe and do with it what you will.

LIZ

Send us pictures of your wilted spinach.

HAZEL

I just want a dinner party where everything is from this book.

LIZ

Including the forbidden martini?

HAZEL

Including the forbidden martini.

LIZ

So if you enjoyed that and you want to fund the bull cook dinner party we do have a patreon where you can get access to a patron server, exclusive recipes and at the 10 dollar level we will make a bonus episode just for you, so you can go to patreon.com/breadandthread.

HAZEL

You can also find us on twitter @breadandthread, or if you’d like to submit any ideas or episodes or local larders or want to say hi, breadandthreadpodcast@gmail.com. I’d just like to end with the end of herters in 1981. Herters ended with allegations of lots of unfilled orders and debt, but his name lives on and he’s actually a bit of a resurfacing celebrity today.

LIZ

What you’re saying is we’re on trend.

HAZEL

We’re brand influencers? I guess we’ll see you next time.

LIZ

Bye

HAZEL

Bye

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Probably Bad 24: Long-Distance Wolverine, Fluffy Friends, and Pencil’s Redemption

D&daniel

The wheel of time keeps on turning. Midnight’s children turn to noon’s adults. It’s already time for another probably bad podcast, which couldn’t happen without the loving support of mario, hedwig, matt and joining them now is carlo. They’re all terrible.

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Mod pencil

Hello and welcome to the probably bad podcast, a podcast which is definitely bad. I’m pencil.

Paper

I’m paper. Today’s probably bad rpg idea is… Experiment with style by having werewolf transformations happen in the style of magical girl transformation sequences. I think this is yours, but it ties into one I did a while ago which was describing all wildshape in the really horrendous way that animorphs does it.

MOD PENCIL

I feel like we’ve got two different, we’ve got the tones of the transformation completely opposite to the settings cause I like the idea of a lighthearted D&D game where the druid peels off their face and grows their limbs painfully and then a horrific game of hunting down monsters where players are going yeah, surrounded by roses and nice music and put on a pretty dress and they’re also a werewolf.

PAPER

Messing with tone is always fun. In the werewolf magical girl transformation sequence it’s basically sailor moon right, the power of the moon transforms you.

MOD PENCIL

It’s sailor moon if she just tears your throat out with her teeth, which I feel would greatly improve sailor moon. Yeah in the name of the moon you will be punished has a lot more like meaning when the moon is turning you into a wolf monster. It is very possible I’m getting obscure werewolf the apocalypse lore wrong so if I am feel free to not message me a long list of what the moon actually does.

PAPER

I mean I feel we can just talk about it as werewolves generally they’re a fairly common thing, I mean who doesn’t have werewolves in their game?

MOD PENCIL

Nerds. Take that whatever percentage of our listeners don’t have werewolves.

PAPER

I am also wondering cause in a lot of magical girl sequences there is an object they have that like goes and floats and then there’s magical beams of light everywhere. What would that object be for a werewolf?

MOD PENCIL

Just another wolf?

PAPER

It would just be – the obvious answer is themselves so it would just be the end of beauty and the beast but in reverse.

MOD PENCIL

I guess it’s like you know in the original myth you put on an enchanted tin and it turns you into a werewolf? Could be that.

PAPER

I mean there are a lot of original werewolves –

MOD PENCIL

In some original myths.

PAPER

There are some where you put on a belt and it turns you into a werewolf and then you take it off when you’re done being a werewolf.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah it could just be a belt. A footprint with water in it that just appears in the air and they lick it.

PAPER

I just want you to know nick just said furry cummerbund. I feel like that’s furry in both senses of the word isn’t it?

MOD PENCIL

I think the alternative is they undergo the transformationn and they’re now a nine foot humanoid monster and they also have a stick and they just hit you with the stick. They don’t use any of their werewolf powers.

PAPER

Just to give them some sort of item.

MOD PENCIL

They turn into a wolf that has a stick in its mouth, and the wolf is chasing you hitting you with the stick.

PAPER

I have a question – so in a lot of mythos sort of people who know they’re going to transform take off all their clothes – magical girl transformation that involves growing a very weird penis, cause like a lot of people who listen to this are on tumblr they know how wolves work.

MOD PENCIL

Ok full disclaimer I don’t know how wolves work and don’t know why people are growing weird penises.

PAPER

I don’t want to say it out loud so I’m going to send you a short message.

MOD PENCIL

Ok please enjoy our penis break from this podcast.

PAPER

Don’t say penis break!

MOD PENCIL

The plan is to drive away as many viewers as possible.

PAPER

Prepare for a live reaction to learning about knotting.

MOD PENCIL

Aah, ok I now know what that means I’m not sure I’m a fan of it. I’ve seen the word on tumblr a lot in the sense of something bad but I didn’t actually know the meaning and was too scared to look it up.

PAPER

Best part is out of the two of us pencil’s the only one who really does anything on ao3.

MOD PENCIL

Not knotting.

PAPER

I just get all this by osmosis.

MOD PENCIL

I feel our podcast is going a bit offbrand. Or possibly entirely on brand.

PAPER

Incredibly bad rpg ideas, ABO D&D.

MOD PENCIL

So… Magical girl transformations.

PAPER

I hate myself a little bit.

MOD PENCIL

To change the subject.

PAPER

Overall I really like this idea, especially if it does have the whole glowing while transforming cause imagine you’re watching this person and they start glowing and then their outline gets really fuzzy and you think they’re going to transform and the outline stops glowing and they’re just really hairy.

MOD PENCIL

I do like the idea you have the big transformation and have the magical girl thing of like – in the werewolf game you just turn into a taller furrier human, but you can still pass as human, it’s just that, they glow, they get body hair and they’re a few inches taller.

PAPER

It’s magical T!

MOD PENCIL

I— yeah. Sorry there was going to be a reaction to what you said there, but my brain didn’t work, so if we just cut out that last section and now I will say something witty. Nope, I’m not gonna say anything witty.

PAPER

It is though, it makes you taller and hairier, it makes you more like masculine looking, being a werewolf in werewolf is just being a trans guy.

MOD PENCIL

To be fair there are other transformations than becoming a trans guy.

PAPER

But I’m interested in this one.

MOD PENCIL

I mean like you know with the whole Gender Identity Clinic at the moment, asking a moon goddess to do it may be easier. Sorry went into actual politics there. Back to magical fantasy creatures.

PAPER

I do want to talk about the sort of animorphs style transformation as well-

MOD PENCIL

The horrific side of things.

PAPER

The last time I played a druid my go to form was a badger, but I feel like there’s not a lot to be done with that, but the other form I really liked for doing a lot of espionage was being a spider, and your skeleton moves to the outside!

MOD PENCIL

Just bursts out of your mouth and wraps around you and then you start shrinking?

PAPER

Yeah that’s a little bit bony venom! Question is when this happens presumably with a lot of disgusting noises sprout four extra limbs out of your torso?

MOD PENCIL

What I imagine is your skeleton wraps around you and then your ribs start expanding and turn into arms.

PAPER

Oh I like that. The concept is horrific but also I’m intrigued. I think that is maybe the problem with animorphs style transformation descriptions you just end up at least I do I’m really interested in anatomy.

MOD PENCIL

I feel like this is basically a game where you describe body horror to your friends every time they use their class features and it either works or like – sorry – it either works or people forcibly remove your ability to mouth.

PAPER

Your ability to mouth?

MOD PENCIL

I think someone has removed my ability to mouth. Ability to talk.

PAPER

I do like the idea of just describing every spell in the most horrific way possible. Like vicious mockery, ah well you said that he was a son of a bitch and now his ears are bleeding.

MOD PENCIL

You cast fireball and what happens is your head unfolds to reveal a flamethrower and then reseals itself.

PAPER

I like it.

MOD PENCIL

I feel it may be works better if most spells are described normally but there’s one spell where you cast magic missile and what happens is just your spine comes out your back, pulls out a gun and starts shooting people.

PAPER

Where was the spine keeping the gun?

MOD PENCIL

I don’t know anatomy but I assume there’s a holster in there somewhere.

PAPER

I was picturing more along the lines of bones at the end of your fingers shoot out and stab the person and they just fly back in.

MOD PENCIL

You can use magic missile a grand total of ten times your whole career and then you run out of fingers.

PAPER

No they fly back in it’s like long distance wolverine you can retract them.

MOD PENCIL

The power of if I throw my fingers they can return just sounds like a really shitty superhero.

PAPER

A little bit. Could you do it with other body parts, break off an arm and use it like a boomerang?

MOD PENCIL

I’m thinking magic missile but you fire your teeth like machine gun bullets.

PAPER

I’m getting very into this idea.

MOD PENCIL

Just invisibility but you just take your skin off.

PAPER

Less that you can’t be seen that no-one wants to look at you.

MOD PENCIL

Invisibility but you look so horrific no-one wants to look at you.

PAPER

Invisibility but you die and turn into a ghost.

MOD PENCIL

I feel like, yeah intangibility but you- actually in a world where the undead exists like ok this problem’s unsurmountable I’m going to die and come back as a ghost with a bunch more powers is not an unnreasonable – people never explore the implications that dead people keep coming back as super powerful monsters.

PAPER

Yeah…

MOD PENCIL

Cause there are genuinely a lot of characters in D&D who are like I died horribly it was the best thing that ever happened to me now I can eat souls.

PAPER

There is also the reverse that you guys did in one game which was oh we can’t work out how to cure this vampire so we’re going to kill her and pay someone to cast true resurrection.

MOD PENCIL

It worked to be fair.

PAPER

It worked but this poor woman has died twice.

MOD PENCIL

She’s fine. I don’t think she was fine.

PAPER

She was not she was incredibly traumatised.

MOD PENCIL

I think she did go to hell at least the first time she died.

PAPER

Briefly yeah. In between the killing and the resurrection there was some hell time.

MOD PENCIL

But yeah anyway my point is I don’t know what my point is I think my point is your head is a flamethrower and you come back as a ghost and that’s how you get advantage to intimidating like a sick child.

PAPER

That tracks.

MOD PENCIL

With resurrection you can just die and come back as undead and when you don’t need it you die again and just get resurrected as a normal person.

PAPER

Yeah could you be a temporary lich?

MOD PENCIL

Yeah.

PAPER

If someone kills your lich form can you have an arrangement with someone to bring you back normal at the end of it?

MOD PENCIL

I don’t see why not. That’s just another transformation sequence where you keel over dead.

PAPER

It’s the transformationn sequence everyone gets to do.

MOD PENCIL

It’s not really related but I love the idea of the magical transformation sequence where you go up and you’re glowing and like the dress appears and you get a magical item and it stops and you just fall over dead.

PAPER

How else do you think they put bodies in nice clothing they do it before they magically transform into a corpse.

MOD PENCIL

Magically transform into a corpse sounds like a wizard trying to come up with a euphemism for their murder powers and not quite succeeding. I cast person to corpse. I don’t think we’ve done any ideas this episode we’ve just discussed horrible things happening.

PAPER

Yeah I think normally we transition to questions after we turn it into a game we would want to play but instead it’s turned into junji ito.

MOD PENCIL

So yeah, um… If you can find any ideas in the things we just said you’re welcome.

PAPER

You know what is a good idea though? It’s going on the 21st november to twitch.tv/theblakery to watch our first ever live show where we’re going to be doing this bit and then answering questions.

MOD PENCIL

You’ll get to see our faces and maybe our horrible animorphs transformation sequences.

PAPER

That’s twitch.tv/theblakery on the 21st nov at 8pm uk time. So questions.

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MOD PENCIL

Yes. So our first question is loading cause my computer’s being – our first question is from first224. Odd question but would a pc tortlemug be able to catch lycanthropy from a werebear and if so how screwed are their teammates?

PAPER

I mean I can’t see how you couldn’t get lycanthropy?

MOD PENCIL

Yeah. So what’s the horrible animorphs transformation for turning into a bear? I think the shell unclips itself.

PAPER

I think the most important thing is that it would surely not be a werebear cause you’re not a person.

MOD PENCIL

Is there old english for tortoise?

PAPER

There is. A tortose. So you would be a tortbear. That’s the most immportant thing is the pedantry.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah, as the creature is tearing your throat out it’s important to make sure you’re using the right terminology.

PAPER

It’s only polite. I don’t think your teammates are any more screwed than you would be if anyone else was a werebear.

MOD PENCIL

Which to be fair… Actually no werebears are lawful good so you actually might be fine.

PAPER

You might actually just be an incredibly pedantic bear. You go around saying actually I’m a tortbear cause I’m not a human.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah what it does is it’ll transform and then it’ll correct your terminology then it’ll file your taxes.

PAPER

I like that idea of what lawful good is, it files its taxes on time.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah that is what paladins do, that’s the only thing paladins do.

PAPER

That’s true, paladins are just accountants.

MOD PENCIL

If you consider that a controversial opinion, you’re wrong. So I feel like the tortle, I’m just imagining a tortoise’s head and legs go into the shell and they come out they’re bears, or they’re bear body parts and that’s how it transforms.

PAPER

I was thinking if presumably going from human to spider your skeleton comes out of your mouth and wraps around you presumably the reverse happens going from tortoise to bear.

MOD PENCIL

Like I said its shell opens and closes.

PAPER

Maybe the shell twists around and goes partly inside and becomes teeth. A tortle doesn’t have teeth, where do you think the teeth come from?

MOD PENCIL

The shell just shrinks and becomes a head and then it chomps you.

PAPER

I honestly think the weirdest part of the experience – I’m looking up tortles and they seem to be orderly and lawful good, similar to werebear, so like- you just become fluffy.

MOD PENCIL

You’ve got exactly the same tortle but furry. You’re fine everything’s great pet your new friend or the same friend. Pet your now furry friend.

PAPER

You do have a better sense of smell but also if you smell something bad you’re too polite to comment on it. The player’s more screwed than the party cause you’ve lost your external natural armour.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah. Only on full moon. Every full moon you become fluffy and adorable and nothing else changes.

PAPER

That sounds about right.

MOD PENCIL

I hope that makes you feel better about your werebear tortle friend.

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PAPER

So our second question is anonymous. How to run a real world campaign without getting all late buffy about it. I’m assuming late buffy means escalating a ridiculous amount and getting overly grimdark.

MOD PENCIL

Like real life. The serious answer I’d say to this question is don’t keep trying to top your last enemy in terms of sheer power. Once you’ve got something that can destroy the world it’s hard to get something that can destroy the world more, maybe try something that’s less objectively powerful and more a personal threat, the key thing is more you have to survive until it goes away rather than you have to stop it, those kind of things.

PAPER

Yeah I think the avengers series has this problem where they threaten the world and then the universe and now what?

MOD PENCIL

Yeah there’s supernatural where the last I checked I think they’re fighting god’s big sister or something ridiculous likke that.

PAPER

Sounds about right.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah rather than going for a bigger threat go for a bigger kind of threat.

PAPER

It sounds like an opportunity for almost a slice of life kind of game where it’s just like hey you’re just I’m assuming this is real life so just living your life you’re working in a shoe shop then suddenly someone takes away all the shoes oh no.

MOD PENCIL

I feel like you can avoid getting all late buffy on it by just not introducing any threats it’s just like this person working in a shoeshop and you all roleplay this person in a shoeshop.

PAPER

Assuming the system you use for this is just roll for shoes.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah you just roll to see if there are shoes in arms reach or if you have to walk a bit to get the shoes. So yeah don’t introduce any threat and that’ll stop it being all late buffy.

PAPER

Or you make the threats rather than being all existential you just make them silly.

MOD PENCIL

You start off with like the world ending demon god and every time after that you just slowly decrease the scale of threat.

PAPER

Have you considered making the bbeg octodad? It’d be really hard cause he just looks like an ordinary human father.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah. You have to determine which of these normal human fathers are octodad. Yeah… I feel like any rpg would be improved by revealing the big bad has been octodad all along.

PAPER

Octobad.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah.

PAPER

I feel like there’s the option of going more outlandish. As we all know, moon’s wet. Could you go to the moon? Cause real world is not the same as realistic. Maybe you’ve saved the world and now you’ve got to save the moon from whatever’s hatched from within.

MOD PENCIL

after you save earth You’ve got to go through all the moons and planets in the solar system…

PAPER

As long as they’re all extant bodies then technically it’s still real world.

MOD PENCIL

Lots of things are in the real world. So your job is to stop someone stealing neptune.

PAPER

I would play that though.

MOD PENCIL

There’s a joke about uranus here, but I can’t work out what it is.

PAPER

Someone is invading it.

MOD PENCIL

Someone is invading uranus and you need to stop it.

PAPER

We got it.

MOD PENCIL

So the takeaway here is mix up the threats you’re going with rather than progression, whether that is a good way or in a someone’s invading uranus and you’ve only got a shoestore to stop them way.

PAPER

That is the thing though isn’t it real world is such a vague phrase. Most sci-fi is real world, like war of the worlds is a real world thing. Call of cthulhu is a real world thing.

MOD PENCIL

I think it depends on whether you see real world in the sense of crime thing that’s realistic or real world in the sense of you know world of darkness, if you open your back door there’s a vampire god there.

PAPER

It’s very easy to get as the question said all late buffy – with wod.

MOD PENCIL

With WoD the important thing is use only one or two sourcebooks at most, don’t try to use all the sourcebooks.

PAPER

Unless that’s the kind of campaign you want to play. Maybe you want to get all late buffy about. You know valid. But I was going to say all campaigns are valid but I’ve heard some stories.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah. Most campaigns are valid, except you, you know who you are, stop it.

PAPER

That is the tagline.

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MOD PENCIL

Ok our next question – I don’t know why I said that in that voice – our next question is gaming snacks, wrong answers only.

PAPER

Dice. Cronch.

MOD PENCIL

I feel there’s no other good answer than dice, but this is a re recording and in the original recording I confessed to wanting to eat people. Because I kept suggesting the GM.

PAPER

Also the players be fair.

MOD PENCIL

The gm and the players and apparently most people are not sitting there planning to eat their game group, I thought I’d put that out there before putting out my suggestion which is definitely not your fellow players and gm, that would be wrong.

PAPER

That is the shortest redemption arc in podcast history.

MOD PENCIL

I have burned through all 9 alignments just offscreen.

PAPER

It wasn’t relevant… But yeah I do think you could eat your character sheets as an amnesia mechanic.

MOD PENCIL

Every time you get hit with a memory eraser spell you eat a chunk of character sheet.

PAPER

Ten candles but instead of candles burning down you just eat them.

MOD PENCIL

I like that it’s not relevant they’re candles except for the fact you want to make it worse.

PAPER

You could just have an array of normal snacks and just have that as the session timer when we run out of doritos tha game is over.

MOD PENCIL

I think it takes some of the tragic horror away from it. As you see your family die you become enveloped in the dark horror, eat some doritos.

PAPER

What if it’s not the players eating the doritos.

MOD PENCIL

I’m getting a spooky vibe what if there’s a goat in the room and every time it eats a dorito the nubmers go down.

PAPER

What you do is get your dog and put dog treats around the room and when the dog has found them all the game is over.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah the game space is just a dog and a pile of meat. And you have until the dog stops eating the meat.

PAPER

I’m worried we came up with a good rpg idea.

MOD PENCIL

I’m not.

PAPER

But think about it every treat represents an important npc who gets killed off when the dog finds and eats that treat.

MOD PENCIL

That would work I guess. It would need to be a bit more controlled than letting a dog loose in the house.

PAPER

No.

MOD PENCIL

Fair enough.

PAPER

Life is chaos pencil.

MOD PENCIL

What you need to do is you have the dog, then you just need to cover each of the players in meat drippings or something and when the dog mauls them their character dies.

PAPER

If you die in real life you die in the game.

MOD PENCIL

I don’t think this is answering the snack question at all I think it’s just inventing dog mauling.

PAPER

The best gaming snack the actual answer is obvious me I am a snack.

MOD PENCIL

I don’t have enough self esteem to make that joke.

PAPER

I’m sorry…

MOD PENCIL

Yeah I think I would go, assuming paper isn’t here, I would go for the rulebook as the dm is about to find out how badly you fucked up – ok you take damage and you take – and you take it and eat it before you find out how much damage you take.

PAPER

It would be a good way to deal with rules lawyers.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah. You want to check what page 37 says? Good luck getting inside my stomach oh god it’s come back to vore.

PAPER

Sooner or later it all comes back to vore with you.

MOD PENCIL

I tried to redeem myself from eating my fellow players but…

PAPER

Eating fellow players butts.

MOD PENCIL

You can’t see it cause this is a podcast but I did a little finger click.

PAPER

You did a what?

MOD PENCIL

Finger click. No, finger guns I did finger guns. It’s 2020.

PAPER

What even are words.

MOD PENCIL

If you would like to hear what words are – I don’t think we did answer that question but we certainly said things in response to it.

PAPER

Be fair the question did say wrong answers only and some of those were incredibly wrong.

MOD PENCIL

Yeah some of them weren’t actually answers. Yes, out of character, nickblake do we have the ending things?

PAPER

we’ve got your bit, It’s me that does the ending things.

Nickblake

We need to round off with that. And if you like, do a little rap.

PAPER

I do not like. Thanks for listening, we’re doing a live show on twitch.tv/theblakery – t h e b l a key, I can’t say letters – t h e b l a k e r y – 8 uk time, that’s just utc. If you have a question for a regular episode you can email probablybadpodcast@gmail.com or send a message us on tumb-lr, don’t know why I said it like that but on tumb-lr, probablybadrpgideas, we do have a patreon, which is also probablybadrpgideas, if you want access to homebrews such as the demon of minor anxiety or wrestleboys, the righter subclass, as well as bonus episodes, so thank you for listening and –

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Remember to have a probably bad day.

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